[Albion] Potter signs for Sat.

[TWOCHOICEStom]

I'm still annoyed they took Bruno.

 

[Brovion]

Can't say he's before my time, just haven't heard of him. Googled him and wow, looks like some journey man. Reminds me of John Burridge at QPR, tons of different clubs.

If you haven't heard of him then he's before your time. That's not a dig, btw, not everyone on NSC was around in the 1990s. Suffice to say he was very much a pantomime villain during the Archer era, and he earned that status simply for making a gesture towards the fans when he was playing for Orient. Nothing compared to Potter.

 

[POSKETT AT THE VALLEY]

I'm still annoyed they took Bruno.

Took Bruno? The bloke had a choice!

 

[singing4seagulls]

Took Bruno? The bloke had a choice!

I don't buy this. He really didn't.

Any new manager coming in would have their own entourage and he would have been demoted and out of a job.

Proof came when De Zerbi indeed came with loads of people who he trusted as his inner circle for assistant managers.

Faced with a massive pay rise by following your manager to a new club, or uncertainty with likely demotion/being out of a job is a fairly simple choice.

Even if Bloom tried to demand any new manager keep him as an assistant, not only would it likely be a half baked assistant as new manager will have own people they actually trust, but would be foolish from Tony as meddling with the managers role and who his assistants should be would scare candidates off.

De Zerbi would only have people around him he sees as his ride or dies. He struggled with not deciding player recruitment - training and assistants being forced on him? Please. He changed a lot of backroom staff bits, brought loads of people with him that effectively demoted others.

Personally, I am sad he left and how, but I put this more on Potter. Not sure Bruno had much choice, very much doubt anyone here in the same situation would do something differently (as if you'd reject an offer of 4x your current salary to work at your companies competitor), and he probably did Tony a favour by not forcing a difficult situation by staying.

Bruno hurt because he was such an epic legend in his time here. But that means he was a legend in his time here. And so for me, remains one.

Potter I'm over, but can go f*** himself. He could have built a dynasty with us, but threw away our and Tony's loyalty for a quick buck.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I don't buy this. He really didn't.

Any new manager coming in would have their own entourage and he would have been demoted and out of a job.

Proof came when De Zerbi indeed came with loads of people who he trusted as his inner circle for assistant managers.

Faced with a massive pay rise by following your manager to a new club, or uncertainty with likely demotion/being out of a job is a fairly simple choice.

Even if Bloom tried to demand any new manager keep him as an assistant, not only would it likely be a half baked assistant as new manager will have own people they actually trust, but would be foolish from Tony as meddling with the managers role and who his assistants should be would scare candidates off.

De Zerbi would only have people around him he sees as his ride or dies. He struggled with not deciding player recruitment - training and assistants being forced on him? Please. He changed a lot of backroom staff bits, brought loads of people with him that effectively demoted others.

Personally, I am sad he left and how, but I put this more on Potter. Not sure Bruno had much choice, very much doubt anyone here in the same situation would do something differently (as if you'd reject an offer of 4x your current salary to work at your companies competitor), and he probably did Tony a favour by not forcing a difficult situation by staying.

Bruno hurt because he was such an epic legend in his time here. But that means he was a legend in his time here. And so for me, remains one.

Potter I'm over, but can go f*** himself. He could have built a dynasty with us, but threw away our and Tony's loyalty for a quick buck.

Andrew Crofts was here, and is still here. TB can offer other positions to accommodate staff who want to stay.

 

[Hamilton]

Would the club consider putting "mercenary wank*r" pieces of card on everyone's seat for Saturday ready for the
KO when, as one, we can all show the c**t what we think of him?

Just a thought?

Give it a break.

He was offered £20m. I’d have gone. I mean, we all really showed how much we loved him - and all the time - while he was here.

Let it go.

 

[singing4seagulls]

Andrew Crofts was here, and is still here. TB can offer other positions to accommodate staff who want to stay.

Totally different.

Crofty was much lower down the pecking order. He managed our kids. Bruno was at the level to be assistant manager level for one of the biggest clubs in the world (as much as I hate Chelsea, they are huge financially at least).

My point is exactly that, in order to stay, Bruno would have to be demoted into some unknown role, managing kids or on the outskirts of a new managers inner circle.

Demotion and uncertainty, or massive pay rise and opportunity? We'd all have taken it.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Totally different.

Crofty was much lower down the pecking order. He managed our kids. Bruno was at the level to be assistant manager level for one of the biggest clubs in the world (as much as I hate Chelsea, they are huge financially at least).

My point is exactly that, in order to stay, Bruno would have to be demoted into some unknown role, managing kids or on the outskirts of a new managers inner circle.

Demotion and uncertainty, or massive pay rise and opportunity? We'd all have taken it.

Yet, where is he now? Are you saying that assistant manager at West Ham is superior to Chelsea? Did Chelsea sack him?

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Totally different.

Crofty was much lower down the pecking order. He managed our kids. Bruno was at the level to be assistant manager level for one of the biggest clubs in the world (as much as I hate Chelsea, they are huge financially at least).

My point is exactly that, in order to stay, Bruno would have to be demoted into some unknown role, managing kids or on the outskirts of a new managers inner circle.

Demotion and uncertainty, or massive pay rise and opportunity? We'd all have taken it.

Yep. He'd have been mad not to go with Potter.

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

Yet, where is he now? Are you saying that assistant manager at West Ham is superior to Chelsea? Did Chelsea sack him?

He's still an assistant manager in the PL and would have earnt a lovely amount of money. I reckon he is sleeping ok.

 

[Perfidious Albion]

Oh dear…..how low have we sunk

 

[Thunder Bolt]

He's still an assistant manager in the PL and would have earnt a lovely amount of money. I reckon he is sleeping ok.

Loyalty to Potter pays off but then Crofts is in the same position.

Money is good but it’s not the be all and end all.

 

[TWOCHOICEStom]

I mean, you've got to hand it to Potter really. The amount of money earned for that gig in West London is pretty bananas.

For a coach who's not really proved much more than the wonderful period he had here (and there are lots of coaches who've had wonderful periods) he must be one of, if not the richest.

He'll eventually take the Swedish national team job, living in Hove and owning a nice little (massive) house outside of Stockholm. Living the good life.

Fair play to him. The wanker.

 

[Bozza]

I don't buy this. He really didn't.

Any new manager coming in would have their own entourage and he would have been demoted and out of a job.

Proof came when De Zerbi indeed came with loads of people who he trusted as his inner circle for assistant managers.

Faced with a massive pay rise by following your manager to a new club, or uncertainty with likely demotion/being out of a job is a fairly simple choice.

Even if Bloom tried to demand any new manager keep him as an assistant, not only would it likely be a half baked assistant as new manager will have own people they actually trust, but would be foolish from Tony as meddling with the managers role and who his assistants should be would scare candidates off.

De Zerbi would only have people around him he sees as his ride or dies. He struggled with not deciding player recruitment - training and assistants being forced on him? Please. He changed a lot of backroom staff bits, brought loads of people with him that effectively demoted others.

Personally, I am sad he left and how, but I put this more on Potter. Not sure Bruno had much choice, very much doubt anyone here in the same situation would do something differently (as if you'd reject an offer of 4x your current salary to work at your companies competitor), and he probably did Tony a favour by not forcing a difficult situation by staying.

Bruno hurt because he was such an epic legend in his time here. But that means he was a legend in his time here. And so for me, remains one.

Potter I'm over, but can go f*** himself. He could have built a dynasty with us, but threw away our and Tony's loyalty for a quick buck.

Spot on.

Bruno could have stayed on had he wanted and, of course, Tony Bloom would have ensured he had a job.

But, as you say, what would that job be?

It's really not practical to insist on making a new head/coach/managerial hire and insist that the old assistant head coach is retained in the same role. Given head coaches tend to head up a team, their own team, they will likely already have someone for that position.

So, at worst, the head coach you want doesn't come - he'll not jettison a trusted lieutenant just like that, or the new head coach accepts the proposition, but the old hand soon becomes marginalised to a cones-and-bibs man.

Bruno had the opportunity to remain with someone he knew he had a good working relationship with, in a trusted senior capacity at a big club that was competing in the Champions League.

Frankly, he'd have been a fool not to take that chance - who knows if it would ever come again? And just because it didn't work out, doesn't mean he made the wrong decision.

 

[goldstone]

He got an offer of a better job (he thought) for a lot more money so he took it. That's pretty normal. Stop getting your knickers in a twist and grow up.

 

[singing4seagulls]

Loyalty to Potter pays off but then Crofts is in the same position.

Money is good but it’s not the be all and end all.

Yes, for now. But Fab came with no entourage - very unusual. Another manager might change this all again.

You take the bird in hand in this situation, especially when it's a bigger role with a massive payout.

We all know how it's ended up. But put yourself at that same decision point, I highly doubt anyone else would have not done the same.

In any respect, the experience Bruno has had will have only added to his CV and earnings profile. Hell he was THE manager at Chelsea for a game. What a story to tell your grandchildren, instead of a story of demotion to managing kids, organising cones and risk of being out of a job.

Most assistant managers follow their manager to different clubs. Managers and assistants managers can't be loyal to a club, as they typically get fired every 2 years as club CEOs fire them and bring in the next lot.

Don't have to like it, but I feel it's a bit naive to think he should have stayed due to some idea of club loyalty. That's mostly for fans, not employees. Hell, one of our biggest club legends Murray went to play for our arch rivals. They are being paid to do a job. Anyone with a brain cell would have assessed the situation and done the same thing in his position.

 

[Flounce]

If you can forgive Bruno then you should be able to forgive Potter imo

I’ll stick to booing both, from a distance tomorrow, I am a simple soul

 

[Bozza]

If you can forgive Bruno then you should be able to forgive Potter imo

I’ll stick to booing both, from a distance tomorrow, I am a simple soul

I have no real beef with Potter - he did a great job at our club - taking us from "17th is the aim", and pushing us into the top half of the Premier League.

How many young English managers get the opportunity to manage a "big club" (I hate the term as much as anyone else), with a squad of top-quality players, and the chance to immediately manage in the Champions League? It is quite possible, probable even, that calling may have never come again.

But, I do love a panto villain, so I'm resting my voice today, ready for 90-minutes of booing action tomorrow.

 

[singing4seagulls]

If you can forgive Bruno then you should be able to forgive Potter imo

I’ll stick to booing both, from a distance tomorrow, I am a simple soul

I mostly have. All's well that ends well.

But it is different to Bruno. Potter instigated the issue. Dropped us at an all time high, mid season after being backed through periods of terrible results. He also didn't do years of hard graft on the pitch for us.

As such, I'll enjoy a humorous pantomime Boo at Potter to remind him of his bad choices.

Bruno gets a pass from me.

 

[Mellotron]

"You can stick your history lesson up your arse" is the obvious chant. I wasn't at the Chelsea Amex game, was this deployed?