seagullsovergrimsby
#cpfctinpotclub
The MPs who hoovered up the muslim vote to oust the Labour candidate.Who are these MPs who are pro Hamas
Or do you mean Pro Gaza or Pro Palestine and obviously don't understand the difference
Got something to say or just want fewer pesky ads? Join us... 😊
[Politics] The NSC 'up all night' election night *** OFFICIAL MATCH THREAD ***
- Thread starter Bozza
- Start date
pb21
Well-known member
- Apr 23, 2010
- 6,607
It's interesting he talks about monetary policy post Bretton Woods.What an INCREDIBLE tantrum
I think he might well be on to something in that regard, implications of these policy changes take decades to come out in the wash and the cycle might be ending...
Hilary Benn is in … I like him.
And how many MP’s can say they literally climbed Mount Everest?
And how many MP’s can say they literally climbed Mount Everest?
BBC start discussing electoral reform, jump straight to Party List that nobody wants or advocates.
Bloody typical.
Bloody typical.
No offence, but this is a terrible analogy.
It is actually more like a team who have ground out ten very narrow wins, sitting top of the league above a team who have won half as many games, 5 or 6 nil.
They are rightly top, despite scoring less goals - as those are the competition RULES.
If that's true it's an incredible stat, and I'm sure the answer could well be 'never' as Brighton has always been surrounded by blue in my lifetime.
Indeed.
Furthermore, if the competition stated that, instead, the team scoring the most goals would win irrespective of wins in individual games, everyone would play in a way that made early De Zerbi look like late era Hughton.
It's a very good evening for Labour and for anti-Tory, pro-progressive voters. A game played to win.
Unfortunately, it took something as horrific as the 2019-24 vintage Tory Party to unite first Labour and then the tactical vote. 2029 will be harder.
jackalbion
Well-known member
- Aug 30, 2011
- 4,637
It seemed strategically timed to me, which in turn meant they lost the seat.
Gabbiano
Well-known member
What's also fun is that you can go from Eastbourne to North Devon through only Lib Dem ones.
- Oct 12, 2022
- 2,474
Channel 4 coverage was brilliant, I thankfully missed most of Dorries input, which just meant I was slightly better informed and happier than anyone who had to listen to it.
McTavish
Well-known member
- Nov 5, 2014
- 1,572
It's definitely true. You have to go through Wales due to Kenilworth and Southam staying blue but it can be done.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election/2024/uk/results
Just looked up that the Tory party was started in 1679 so that might be the answer. Either that or 1832 - the year of The Reform Act.
Assuming you're in Eastleigh, you can at least reasonably feel your votes made a difference because there wasn't a huge difference between the Conservative and Lib Dem vote.
Even there though, only 14,425 votes are actually reflected in the result (i.e. the Conservative vote + 1). About 68% of people could have stayed at home and it wouldn't have made any difference.*
It's not an "IMO" or an anecdotal thing. The system doesn't allow more than 50% of people's votes to be reflected in the result. In reality it's always much less than that.
We're entirely in the laps of the gods and the whims of people like Farage choosing whether or not to run candidates in particular seats, whether or not the system happens to spit out a result that looks even vaguely sensible. I've not worked out the actual numbers but I think Labour could have won the same number of seats with only about 30% of the national vote if they'd received fewer votes in safe seats.
*Obviously if that literally happened then all but one of the remaining Lib Dem voters could stay at home as well, but that's taking the logic through the looking glass.
Does anyone know if the Tories who had a punt actually won their wagers?
@Uncle Spielberg any ideas?
@Uncle Spielberg any ideas?
Strategically timed on whose part? Surely they weren't deliberately aiming to make it harder for themselves to win the seat, which would be the only likely outcome of changing candidate at such short notice even if the circumstances were different.
- Apr 5, 2014
- 25,294
I do so because my view is that under the electoral system all votes are not equal and that the influences on government are dominated by bigger considerations than general population. You only had to look at Starmer's glowing pleasure at the endorsement of the scuzziest 'newspaper' on the planet. Of course, I'm sure he would like to have made a wanker sign and told them where to go but he can't. He needs them onside. You only have to look at 'Stop the boats' a desperate and crass attempt to appease the media.
Government by headlines.
So I spoil my ballot paper knowing it makes no difference and is just the little protest of an ageing man. I don't give a flying flamingo what Susan thinks, although I prefer to give the counter some light relief rather than writing an essay- which would be 'self-aggrandisement'
It doesn't make me feel important but it does make me feel better. And I fulfill what I feel is a duty to attend the polling station as a nod to those who fought for the right.
Large gap between vote share and MPs hits Reform and Greens
Labour's win is the most disproportionate on record, BBC Verify finds, as parties call for change.
www.bbc.co.uk
The Labour Party have not been given a mandate by the British people as 66% did not vote for them. As much as I'm pleased to see the Tories go and Reform get very few seats it changeth not my view.
Last edited:
Uh_huh_him
Well-known member
- Sep 28, 2011
- 11,525
Either way - he can present himself as such to the Tories now.
They either align/merge with him or accept they need to move to a more centrist position and accept Reform are going to take even more votes from them.
With the majority of remaining Tory MPs being Brexiters/right leaning, i wouldn't be surprised if they merged.
It’s been a long night with no sleep. This is my favourite political insight of the past 36hrs.
Gabbiano
Well-known member
But how does a vote for Larry the Cat tell anyone that you're protesting an unfair system?I do so because my view is that under the electoral system all votes are not equal and that the influences on government are dominated by bigger considerations than general population. You only had to look at Starmer's glowing pleasure at the endorsement of the scuzziest 'newspaper' on the planet. Of course, I'm sure he would like to have made a wanker sign and told them where to go but he can't. He needs them onside. You only have to look at 'Stop the boats' a desperate and crass attempt to appease the media.
Government by headlines.
So I spoil my ballot paper knowing it makes no difference and is just the little protest of an ageing man. I don't give a flying flamingo what Susan thinks, although I prefer to give the counter some light relief rather than writing an essay- which would be 'self-aggrandisement'
It doesn't make me feel important but it does make me feel better. And I fulfill what I feel is a duty to attend the polling station as a nod to those who fought for the right.
Large gap between vote share and MPs hits Reform and Greens
Labour's win is the most disproportionate on record, BBC Verify finds, as parties call for change.www.bbc.co.uk
The Labour Party have not been given a mandate by the British people as 66% did not vote for them. As much as I'm pleased to see the Tories go and Reform get very few seats it changeth not my view.
If this is your key policy criteria then at the very least you should vote for a party pledging introduction of proportional representation.
If the choice is between a principled vote for a party that won't win, and a principled spoiled ballot which is completely meaningless, then at least the vote for a party demonstrates support for your key issue.
Uh_huh_him
Well-known member
- Sep 28, 2011
- 11,525
All PR would have done would have massively increased the number of Reform MPs.
They would have gained 100 MPs.
Most of their candidates are only interested in a single policy and the next 5 years would be spent arguing about immigration and little else.
There are bigger problems to sort out.
For once Conservatives and LD got a number of MPs similar to their share of the electorate.
I'm happy with that.