Not necessarily, look at Labour 1979 to 1983…
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[Politics] Tory voters- where do you go from here?
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- Feb 8, 2005
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In terms of the overall vote and how little a % of the country voted things could be very different in 5 years. If the conservatives get a semi electable leader and perform well in opposition (far from guaranteed!) the next election could be an interesting one.
Seems a general apathy towards labour / Starmer so wouldn’t be surprised if they only last 1 term as the majority.
Seems a general apathy towards labour / Starmer so wouldn’t be surprised if they only last 1 term as the majority.
fly high
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- Apr 13, 2015
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Whilst yesterday Labour only increased its vote share by 1.6%.... yet gained 211 seats.. ( 95% increase)... as I said in the last two elections when seeing the disproportionate SNP votes Vs seats equation... something needs to change.... ( Not partisan observation)Interesting as a similar question was asked about Labour on that Friday in December 2019, 5 years is a long time in Politics and no one could have predicted last night all those years ago
That's probably the most sensible thing that I've ever seen you post.
Is it the results, today, which gave you such clarity?
VAT on private school fees, taxes more likely on savings (the promise not to tax 'working people'), giving votes to schoolchildren, no commitment not to tax the state pension, no plan to discourage illegal immigrants.
I don't think that was "appealing to the right of centre voters".
The Grockle
Formally Croydon Seagull
Keir Starmer's government will spend the next 4 yesrs blaming the tories for the mess they left without much changing.The tories will regroup and look to appeal to the traditional right, focusing on immigration while appointing a shaddow cabinet of traditionalist, socially conservative high tories and win back a few million Reform voters.
The tories will be bruised but the country is very divided and after a term of centre left politics they'll be 10 million voters clambering for a return to the right. Politics has become very presidential, with charismatic leader they'll win by a landslide
The tories will be bruised but the country is very divided and after a term of centre left politics they'll be 10 million voters clambering for a return to the right. Politics has become very presidential, with charismatic leader they'll win by a landslide
Blair wasn’t Labour leader in 1979.
- Apr 5, 2014
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Damn, I knew someone would get there before me.
Sorrel
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They promised things that appealed to both sides, of course, but in the final days Starmer was saying “we’ll won’t rejoin the EU in my lifetime” and similar things designed to reassure voters in non-city-centre constituencies - not to fire up his core voters.
- Aug 7, 2003
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The Tories and Reform will unite as the Reformatory Party and Farage will be PM in 2029. (that’s what he thinks)
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- Apr 5, 2014
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Except that:
2019 Labour: 10,269,051 (32.1%)
2023 Labour: 9,712,011 (33.8%)
Labour really haven't moved much. In fact less turned out for them. Which brings me to my point.
Reform won this election for Labour. And, for what my uninformed opinion is worth, it means we will see a merger of views between them and the Tories. The eye will be on the 2029 election and there only being a handful of Refrom MPs makes no odds. The Tories will have the fact that Reform are second in around 100 seats in mind. And, more importantly, they wooed their hardcore.
So I give you- Suella Braverman who will be chomping at the bit for the chance. A person of colour with right wing views. The perfect candidate. The darling of the haters.
No more wishy washy centre ground. The media will be on board, the culture war explodes. Labour was to be the end of it. Wrong, it's the start.
JRM was asked about Farage early this morning. Would the Tory party join with Reform ? He batted off the question and instead of 'Mr Farage' it was 'Nigel'. That was enough for me. The Tories didn't attack him personally in the campaign, they just (rightly) said a vote for him was a vote for Labour. But now they need him. Or, perhaps, need to become like him. Or he will destroy them.
Red wall example of my point:
The combined Reform and Conservative vote is 50%.
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- Apr 5, 2014
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Remain got the working class leavers and Labour already had the metropolitan remainers.
Remember, Labour's vote went up by only 2% yet the Tories dropped by 20%
I've been thinking exactly the opposite. . . .
SKS may not come accross as a charismatic chancer/crook, which is clearly what many warm to. This is the first prime minister in my lifetime who's actually a decent intelligent talented human being, with an exemplary career record.
As opposed to a career politician, the vast majority of whom, in recent decades, have been shown up to be weapons grade shysters. That's as polite as I can be about the last 14 years. And to a lesser extent 40 years.
We now have a Chancellor who is qualified to do the job ( imagine that. . . . An 'expert' )
I expect the opposing press will be making shit up and scaremongering already
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Stato
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- Dec 21, 2011
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Late to this. Opened the thread, hoping for the open goal to be tucked away. First post! Top marks @Weststander .
NSC can be relied upon to hold the ring in a changing world.
NSC can be relied upon to hold the ring in a changing world.
Surrey Phil
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- Aug 3, 2010
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Congrats KS (yawn)! Can we now focus on the Albion and upcoming tour and new season!
portslade seagull
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It depends on how Reform work out over the next 5yrs. A fair few could go back to the Tory fold if they implode