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[Albion] Pascal Groß the raumdeuter - officially leaves for Dortmund :(



Affy

Affy

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Aug 16, 2019
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American Seagle said:
I absolutely do not get this. Why would we out ourselves in a weaker position to potentially loose a critical player? Why do we not need to be in a strong position?
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Because Pascal is leaving whether you like it or not. How he leaves is important. He’s been a fantastic servant for 7 years. are you really suggesting that the club should get an extra couple of million and force him to stay for the last year so he leaves pissed off and resentful?
There isn't a single person who will want him to leave but we have to respect his decision.
 




American Seagle

American Seagle

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Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo said:
The club have always been very open that they don’t stand in the way of a player leaving if the time is right. Pascal has a year left on his contract, if he’s made it obvious that he doesn’t want to sign any new deal and wishes to go back to Germany then the time is right as this is our last chance to get a fee for him. For that reason they wouldn’t stop his representatives from talking to another club. While this is going on the clubs will be talking about transfer fees as well.

This won’t just happen on this deal it will happen on most deals as it’s a lot easier to establish that everyone is roughly on the same page early to no one wastes any time.


Dortmund are buying a player with one season left on his contract, that and his age will keep the fee well within what Dortmund can afford, rather than any fee being boosted because he’s one of the most creative players in the PL. That is simple football economics.
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The piece you are missing there is that the club won't stand in they way IF it's right for the player AND the club. Losing Gross for a bargain price because we are being nice to him is not that is it. Come on.
 


American Seagle

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Affy said:
Because Pascal is leaving whether you like it or not. How he leaves is important. He’s been a fantastic servant for 7 years. are you really suggesting that the club should get an extra couple of million and force him to stay for the last year so he leaves pissed off and resentful?
There isn't a single person who will want him to leave but we have to respect his decision.
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IF we get a price for him that allows us to replace him, yes he can go with our best wishes. That is a deal that is best for both.
 




pigmanovich

pigmanovich

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Mar 16, 2024
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If we do sell Pascal this summer, I’d hope for some performance related clauses to make up for the small fee.
 




Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

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Oct 4, 2003
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American Seagle said:
The piece you are missing there is that the club won't stand in they way IF it's right for the player AND the club. Losing Gross for a bargain price because we are being nice to him is not that is it. Come on.
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The other option is to lose him for nothing in a years time. If the club are negotiating with Dortmund then they obviously consider it better to get something for him now than letting him leave on a free in a years time.

We’ve seen with Dunk and Stephens, and to a lesser extent Moises to Arsenal last January that we will block a move if we don’t want to lose the player.

It’s not going to be a bargain price either. £10-12 million represents 3 to 4 times what we paid for him after 7 seasons where his on the pitch contributions have already paid back his original transfer fee at least 100 times over. We will probably never get more for a 33 year old with 12 months left on his contract ever.
 


dazzer6666

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American Seagle said:
The piece you are missing there is that the club won't stand in they way IF it's right for the player AND the club. Losing Gross for a bargain price because we are being nice to him is not that is it. Come on.
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The pieces you are missing are his age, length remaining on his contract, his value in the current balance sheet and the integrity of Bloom/Barber
 






American Seagle

American Seagle

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Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo said:
The other option is to lose him for nothing in a years time. If the club are negotiating with Dortmund then they obviously consider it better to get something for him now than letting him leave on a free in a years time.

We’ve seen with Dunk and Stephens, and to a lesser extent Moises to Arsenal last January that we will block a move if we don’t want to lose the player.

It’s not going to be a bargain price either. £10-12 million represents 3 to 4 times what we paid for him after 7 seasons where his on the pitch contributions have already paid back his original transfer fee at least 100 times over. We will probably never get more for a 33 year old with 12 months left on his contract ever.
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That price is not the correct one to look at. Gross was woefully underpriced when we got him.
 












Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo

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Oct 4, 2003
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American Seagle said:
That price is not the correct one to look at. Gross was woefully underpriced when we got him.
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It doesn’t matter if he was woefully under-priced or not. That’s what we paid and the only measure we can take when comparing any fee received for him and his overall contribution to the club.

You are still ignoring the fact he is in the last year of his contract and is 33 years old, that will naturally keep his transfer fee relatively low.
 




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Oct 11, 2013
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American Seagle said:
The piece you are missing there is that the club won't stand in they way IF it's right for the player AND the club. Losing Gross for a bargain price because we are being nice to him is not that is it. Come on.
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Bloom and Barber have spent over a decade building up a reputation and a set of credentials. We're different to pretty much every other club in the PL. We respect players, provide a platform to develop their careers and, if they got an offer they can't refuse, we don't stand in their way, so long as we get a suitable offer.
If a player gives us seven years service, is one of the best players in Europe, becomes a legend, is our leading PL goal scorer, is an assist king, plays a full game virtually every game, and raises the standards, and does that over seven years for us, not on huge wages, never causes problems, is a manager's dream, if a player does all that AND he's decided that he wants to go back to his home because, for instance, he wants his family to grow up there, has an offer from a top team with CL football, and gets us a fee far in above the one we paid for, then he goes with our blessing. All we want from him is the chance to say goodbye and thank you. It's that simple.
 




American Seagle

American Seagle

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Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo said:
It doesn’t matter if he was woefully under-priced or not. That’s what we paid and the only measure we can take when comparing any fee received for him and his overall contribution to the club. You are still ignoring the fact he is in the last year of his contract and is 33 years old, that will naturally keep his transfer fee relatively low.
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Gross still has 5+years left in him. The fact he is 33 is irrelevant.
 


A1X

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GT49er said:
Is that four seasons in a row now that our POTS will have left the club? :(
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We should rig next season so it goes to someone we want rid of
 








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