[Albion] Summer Window and Squad 24/25

chaileyjem · Jul 24, 2024

Looks like Marc Leonard off to Birmingham .
So about one month in we've had ...

5 Incoming
2 sales
4 Loans (3 of which are keepers)
2 (first team players) released.

so far... plenty more to go ...
I still make the first team squad about 42 ! players. , expect it to come down to about 30.

GT49er · Jul 24, 2024

amexer said:
Early days but surprised so many Loan returns are in Japan Maybe Dezerbi fell out because he was told he had to give Offiah, Turns, Leonard,Ayari,Moran,Weir,Sarmienta and Sima an opportunity this season.

Some pretty unsuccessful loans there too, at least according to fans' assessments!

Whitechapel · Jul 24, 2024

The more I think about it, the more I think March goes on loan for at least 6 months.

If he’s going to miss a chunk of the season at the start then do you include him as one of the 25 players in the squad? And if you don’t include him in the squad then you probably don’t want him ready to play from October but kicking his heels because he’s not registered.

A year loan with a recall in January option would actually make a lot of sense. If ACD and Minteh are enough then it’s just the natural evolution of the squad. If they’re not then we can call him back on Jan 1st.

This of course all falls apart if he’s back sooner than I’m baselessly assuming he’ll be back.

Machiavelli · Jul 24, 2024

Whitechapel said:
The more I think about it, the more I think March goes on loan for at least 6 months.

If he’s going to miss a chunk of the season at the start then do you include him as one of the 25 players in the squad? And if you don’t include him in the squad then you probably don’t want him ready to play from October but kicking his heels because he’s not registered.

A year loan with a recall in January option would actually make a lot of sense. If ACD and Minteh are enough then it’s just the natural evolution of the squad. If they’re not then we can call him back on Jan 1st.

This of course all falls apart if he’s back sooner than I’m baselessly assuming he’ll be back.

It falls apart way way before your small font disclaimer. It's a batsh!t suggestion. The club wouldn't put it to him in the first place but Solly would be rightfully outraged if they were to do so. We'll be fine in terms of naming a squad. We don't normally name the full 25 anyway, because we have so many under-age players, but the squad is about naming a maximum of 17 (it might be 18) overseas players, which can be supplemented with 8 (7) homegrown players -- which Solly qualifies as anyway.

Hiheidi · Jul 24, 2024

Yes, and pretty sure we'd want to manage his return/recovery carefully and not have him thrown back in by a loan team trying to get their money's worth out of him!

WATFORD zero · Jul 24, 2024

Whitechapel said:
The more I think about it, the more I think March goes on loan for at least 6 months.

If he’s going to miss a chunk of the season at the start then do you include him as one of the 25 players in the squad? And if you don’t include him in the squad then you probably don’t want him ready to play from October but kicking his heels because he’s not registered.

A year loan with a recall in January option would actually make a lot of sense. If ACD and Minteh are enough then it’s just the natural evolution of the squad. If they’re not then we can call him back on Jan 1st.

This of course all falls apart if he’s back sooner than I’m baselessly assuming he’ll be back.

You must have started early this afternoon :drink:

spence · Jul 24, 2024

Absolutely no chance March will be .loaned out. We have quite a few players who get into the 25 man squad but don't count due to age.

Whitechapel · Jul 24, 2024

Machiavelli said:
It falls apart way way before your small font disclaimer. It's a batsh!t suggestion. The club wouldn't put it to him in the first place but Solly would be rightfully outraged if they were to do so. We'll be fine in terms of naming a squad. We don't normally name the full 25 anyway, because we have so many under-age players, but the squad is about naming a maximum of 17 (it might be 18) overseas players, which can be supplemented with 8 (7) homegrown players -- which Solly qualifies as anyway.

I’ve played enough FM to know how it works :wink:

We currently have over 25 senior players who’d be expecting to play football next season. As pointed out a few posts above.

chaileyjem said:
Window opens : Friday June 14th
Closes : Friday August 30th

Goalkeepers
1.Steele ( HGP ) (2026) - 33
2.Verbruggen (2028) - 21
3. Rushworth - (2027 + 1 year option) - 22
u21 Fisher - 19

Full Backs
4. .Lamptey (HGP) (2025) - 23
5. Estupinan (2027) - 25
6. Veltman (2025) - 32
u21. Hinshelwood (HGP) (2026) - 18
u21. Barco (2028+ 1 year ) - 19
7. Offiah (HGP) (2025) - 21

Centre Backs
8. Webster ( HGP ) ( 2026) - 29
9..Dunk ( HGP ) (2026) - 32
10..van Hecke (2027) - 23
11.Igor Julio (2027) - 25
12. Turns (2025) - 21

Midfielders
13..Moder (2025) - 25
14..Gilmour (2026) (HGP) - 23
15. Milner (HGP) (2025) - 38
16. .Groß (2025) - 32
u21. Baleba (2028 + 1) - 20
17. Dahoud (2027) - 28
18. Ayari (2027) - 20
19. Moran (2027) - 20
20. Wieffer (2028) - 24
u21 Yalcouye (2029) - 18

Wingers/Forwards
U21. Buonanotte (2027) - 19
21. March ( HGP ) (2026 + 1 year option) - 29
22. Mitoma (2027) - 27
U21. Enciso (2026 + 1 yr option) - 20
23. Adingra (2026) - 21
u21 Baker Boitey (2024) - 20
24.. Sarmiento (2027 + 1 year option) - 21
u21. Mazilu - 18
u21 Osman (2029) -19
u21 Minteh (2029) -19
u21 Cozier-Duberry (HGP) -19

Centre Forwards
25. Welbeck ( HGP ) (2026) - 33
26. Joao Pedro (HGP) (2028)- 22
U21. Ferguson (2028) - 19
27. Sima (2025 ) - 22
28. Undav (2026) - 27
u21 O Mahony (2027) - 19

Loaned, sold or further season in PL2 ?

Weir, 22
Peupion, 21
Chouchane, 20
Samuels, 21
Barrington, 19
Atom, 19
Slater, 19
Doyle, 18
Vickers, 19 (2027)
Robertson, 18 (2027)

Players bought in Summer 2024: Osman (Nordsjælland ), Minteh (Newcastle FC), Wieffer (Feyenoord), Cozier Duberry (Arsenal), Yalcouye (IFK Goteborg)
Players sold in Summer 2024: Koslowski ( Gaziantep FK ), Leonard (Birmingham)
Players released: Alzate, Lallana
Current Loans: Scherpen, (2027),24 (Sturm Graz) , Beadle (2028), 19 (Sheff Weds), Jackson (2025+1), 20 (Livingston), McGill (2025), (MK Dons) ,

u21s in 24/25 are born on or after Jan 1 2003

So before we sign anybody else we need to lose 3 overage players. If we bring in Gomez & a RB then that becomes 5.

Offiah, Turns, Moder, Dahoud, Ayari, Moran, Sarmiento, Sima, Undav & Gross look the most likely. But if FH gets his way and we hold on to the German duo then suddenly it’s looking touch and go.

I hadn’t even considered March going on loan until somebody else on here mentioned it, but if we’re close to the squad size deadline then depth in central midfield (Moder), depth at CB/RB/RWB (Offiah) or fully fit winger (Sarmiento) might suddenly seem more appealing than hoping March will be back on time and then trying to rush him back.

Dunk, Gilmour, Pedro, Lamptey, March, Milner, Rushworth, Steele, Webster, Welbeck are all home grown so losing March wouldn’t effect our HG player quota either.

Whitechapel · Jul 24, 2024

WATFORD zero said:
You must have started early this afternoon

I’ll take the excuse, even if it’s not true. Cheers. :wink:

Weststander · Jul 24, 2024

Tom Hark Preston Park said:
Club's got an utterly alphabetti spaghetti squad at the moment. Complete state of flux. Squad could be anything. It's going to take some very smart thinking to take stock of it all and move things forward

In training, its wingers v goalies.

Han Solo · Jul 24, 2024

Whitechapel said:
The more I think about it, the more I think March goes on loan for at least 6 months.

If he’s going to miss a chunk of the season at the start then do you include him as one of the 25 players in the squad? And if you don’t include him in the squad then you probably don’t want him ready to play from October but kicking his heels because he’s not registered.

A year loan with a recall in January option would actually make a lot of sense. If ACD and Minteh are enough then it’s just the natural evolution of the squad. If they’re not then we can call him back on Jan 1st.

This of course all falls apart if he’s back sooner than I’m baselessly assuming he’ll be back.

He's 30 and has spent his life in one place... getting him to move away from his family and live in some hotel room in Stoke for 6 months is probably easier said than done.

Whitechapel · Jul 24, 2024

Han Solo said:
He's 30 and has spent his life in one place... getting him to move away from his family and live in some hotel room in Stoke for 6 months is probably easier said than done.

Yeah, very good point.

Portsmouth are in the championship and there’s a fair few London clubs that would be commutable too.

Okay, maybe we aren’t loaning March out.

HangletonGull · Jul 24, 2024

Zero chance of March being loaned out

Mancgull · Jul 24, 2024

March can play in a variety of positions which will be very helpful for his return.

Jimmy Grimble · Jul 24, 2024

Trying to recall if Solly ever played rwb under Potter. He was very good at lwb but we probably don’t need him there, though I guess it depends who looks match fit first out of him and Pervis. Barco is a great talent but he shouldn’t be playing every week. Thinking about it, I’ve not actually seen quite enough to suggest he’s better than Solly or Pervis in the defensive aspects of a lwb, his passing and crossing however looks like it could be better.

kelvinnewman · Jul 24, 2024

Also who’s signing Solly on loan if he’s injured? Him coming back and going on loan in Jan is extremely unlikely but I suppose possible but a team taking him on loan while he’s still injured is never happening.

Machiavelli · Jul 24, 2024

Whitechapel said:
I’ve played enough FM to know how it works

We currently have over 25 senior players who’d be expecting to play football next season. As pointed out a few posts above.

So before we sign anybody else we need to lose 3 overage players. If we bring in Gomez & a RB then that becomes 5.

Offiah, Turns, Moder, Dahoud, Ayari, Moran, Sarmiento, Sima, Undav & Gross look the most likely. But if FH gets his way and we hold on to the German duo then suddenly it’s looking touch and go.

I hadn’t even considered March going on loan until somebody else on here mentioned it, but if we’re close to the squad size deadline then depth in central midfield (Moder), depth at CB/RB/RWB (Offiah) or fully fit winger (Sarmiento) might suddenly seem more appealing than hoping March will be back on time and then trying to rush him back.

Dunk, Gilmour, Pedro, Lamptey, March, Milner, Rushworth, Steele, Webster, Welbeck are all home grown so losing March wouldn’t effect our HG player quota either.

A thorough response, but March isn't going to be loaned out as it looks as though you're coming round to.
Agree with the vast majority of this, but would add:
-- Gomez isn't joining until Jan
-- we might get a R(W)B but also might be others joining (eg Gruda)
-- doubt we'll keep both Undav and Gross; more likely we lose both
-- Turns, Dahoud, Ayari, Moran, Sarmiento and Sima also unikely to be with us. Decent chance that one (potentially more) new signing won't be with us either, eg Osman, ACD, Yalcouye
-- also the likes of Bx3, MO'M to be loaned out, and I'd be extremely surprised if Rushworth isn't and is left vying with Steele for second spot
-- then there's the likes of Moder and Igor who have been linked with moves away ... and probably other stuff too

PS I'm too old to play FM but am being educated about hip hop by my 17yo so was delighted to play him Berwyn the other day :thumbsup:

Machiavelli · Jul 24, 2024

Jimmy Grimble said:
Trying to recall if Solly ever played rwb under Potter. He was very good at lwb but we probably don’t need him there, though I guess it depends who looks match fit first out of him and Pervis. Barco is a great talent but he shouldn’t be playing every week. Thinking about it, I’ve not actually seen quite enough to suggest he’s better than Solly or Pervis in the defensive aspects of a lwb, his passing and crossing however looks like it could be better.

He played rwb a fair bit under Potter usually switching there in the second half

Hiheidi · Jul 24, 2024

Whitechapel · Jul 25, 2024

Machiavelli said:
PS I'm too old to play FM but am being educated about hip hop by my 17yo so was delighted to play him Berwyn the other day

I’m glad there’s at least one area where I know what I’m talking about! Hope you and your son enjoyed him, he’s a really special artist.

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