Rdodge30
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[Politics] Brexit
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Machiavelli
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It's hardly new though is it. They've been at it at least since the 1980s and it's been one-way traffic. Bendy bananas. European superstate. Up Yours Delors. And so on.
Rdodge30
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Given a little more thought I do think that Lord Mandelson is the only Labour member with enough experience, knowledge and gravitas to lead negotiations, he is the very definition of a political heavyweight.
Apart from Yvette Cooper the Labour Party in the commons is extremely light on experience and/or competence, many would be out of their depth.
To be honest there really should be a Parliamentary department with a designated minister if the Prime Minister insists on going down this route, any negotiations with the EU will be hellish and hellish long, no place for a Prime Minister to be spending time at all.
Even a European Union negotiations committee, similar to the one Hillary Benn chaired could act as a second tier scrutiny panel along with something similar in the upper house, There is a House of Lords International Agreements Committee which has 3 Labour Peers on , former Attorney General Lord Goldsmith and Barrister Lord Anderson among them.
However I expect that everything will go through the Cabinet Office and the PM’s desk. Edit: (I expect this because it would be the wrong decision)
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Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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Mandelson comes with baggage. On the practical side he was a European Commissioner for Trade for 4 years and openly anti-Brexit, fervently pro-EU so his objectivity will come into question. On the personal side New York court documents revealed he had "a particularly close relationship" with Jeffrey Epstein.
So whilst he has the personal attributes for the role I am not convinced the media will buy it so, sadly, I suspect they'll turn his appointment into a shitshow.
I think Hilary Benn would be a better choice. He is was Chair of the Committee on the Future Relationship with the EU until that position was abolished in 2021, he is used the the nitty-gritty of Parliamentary Committees.
Another key string to his bow, he studied Russian and Eastern European Studies at university. This background will be useful because he'll understand the political significance of the UK's re-entry into the EU and how that will play out on the global stage.
I also think that there is no need for our re-entry to be "hellish and hellishly long" if the political will is there on both sides. This is because we're not a new candidate country coming in, we've already been a member for more than 90% of the last 50 years.
The EU knows it is stronger with the UK. It also knows that there are other candidate countries who wish to join, and who the EU is minded to allow to join, but those economies need being brought up to scratch and - in the case of Ukraine - rebuilding. That is a much more straightforward job with the UK back in the EU fold.
nicko31
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Full membership of the single market and the customs union, opt-outs from the Euro , borderless Schengen Zone not to mention home affairs policy, and a £4.9bn budget rebate. What other member state had that?
Now a big hit to GDP, "project fear" higher taxes have arrived and benefits are almost non-existent.
Starmer has boxed himself in on Brexit but if he does get close to the next election and Reform or/and the Tories are a real threat maybe just got full nuclear and call another referendum on SM/CU or full EU membership. It may get to the stage where there is nothing to lose.
As for s new deal, don't expect anything folks unless we give something in return, Johnson screwed us and then jetted off to Mustique courtesy of some donor
southstandandy
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- Jul 9, 2003
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Argh.... my new car part was posted on 28th October and has been in Dover waiting inspection (by the red tape brigade) since. Phone call today just been received saying it will be with me by Friday. Progress - NOT.
Crawley Dingo
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Crawley Dingo
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Good way to pad your echo chamber.
I am very much for rejoining, but Labour have to be careful here, the sensible approach would be to call another referendum rather than just going head with rejoining in all but name.
Anything other than a referendum will add more momentum to reform
Anything other than a referendum will add more momentum to reform
Whilst Q Anon / Putin driven nationalists play you like a piano.
BadFish
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- Oct 19, 2003
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Anyone who pays even a passing interest in Weststander's post would recognise that this is a ridiculous accusation to level at him. I don't always agree with him but he is always balanced and logical.
Unlike... erm... No it's gone!
I think the psychological phrase is projection.
Rdodge30
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On Tuesday Keir Starmer insisted the UK would not sign up to any deal with the EU that involves “going back to the old rules.”
Concerning on so many levels. Apart from the fact that if he sticks to it then he won’t get anything at all from the EU he might as well pack up now…is it bravado or does he really think he’s in a position to dictate terms?
Most concerning is that he has come out yet again and given a statement which there is every chance he will have to walk back at some point in the future.
Concerning on so many levels. Apart from the fact that if he sticks to it then he won’t get anything at all from the EU he might as well pack up now…is it bravado or does he really think he’s in a position to dictate terms?
Most concerning is that he has come out yet again and given a statement which there is every chance he will have to walk back at some point in the future.
The Clamp
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The important thing is we are talking and trying to regain a closer relationship with the EU.
When we inevitably rejoin we may be in a more positive relationship with our neighbours.
Rdodge30
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Fair enough but in some ways I’m more concerned with the politics of the statement than the subject.
I can’t decide whether he’s making obviously ridiculous claims because he’s too amateurish and naive to realise that he will have to backtrack, or he simply doesn’t care… and will say anything.
Because that quote sounds like he’s still campaigning for the election
Motogull
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I have never met him but from reading his posts on here he is sound AF.
BN41Albion
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Listening to rational, balanced viewpoints, as I'm sure Weststander does, is the way to ensure you don't pad an echo chamber. For example listening to The Rest is Politics with Alistair Campbell and Rory Stewart.
Watching utter shyte like GBNews certainly does pad your echo chamber if you start believing the bollocks they spout
nicko31
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Without another referendum rejoin is a non starter and it needs to be more decisive than 52 48. Best way to face down Farage once and for all.
nicko31
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Gebeebies needs to have its licence revoked by Ofcom. They fail every test of impartiality, somehow the rules aren’t being applied to them