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[Football] Vloggers at games



Bozza

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Its not just Luke and Ronald though. Apart from the vloggers of course there's literally thousands i'd say at every match who just document the game "normally" and often this footage / photos ends up on social media. Do we mind it when fans sitting near us do that ? Or is it just the vloggers who deserve scrutiny ?
This feels like a strange fight you're taking on here.

Personally, I've never felt uncomfortable at games, surrounded by fans many of whom have their phones out at various times to capture moments of action, crowd reaction or atmosphere.

I absolutely know I would feel uncomfortable if someone close to me was documenting the entire game and there was a high chance that I would feature on YouTube as a result.
 




chaileyjem

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Filmed by someone in the crowd standing next to them? Maybe a goal celebration by our players and the crowd are in the background.
How about the police…..I will wait ???
Not to labour the point but you're often unaware you're in the footage. Let alone asked permission to use it on Sky or club channels etc. And there's often implied permission. But yes its a different level of intimacy as @Bozza argues with vloggers . I agree.
 




chaileyjem

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This feels like a strange fight you're taking on here.

Personally, I've never felt uncomfortable at games, surrounded by fans many of whom have their phones out at various times to capture moments of action, crowd reaction or atmosphere.

I absolutely know I would feel uncomfortable if someone close to me was documenting the entire game and there was a high chance that I would feature on YouTube as a result.
i agree with you ! We're captured inside the Amex in all sorts of ways - so think all the focus on vloggers is perhaps unfair given how footage can and is often used in ways that you have no control over. But as i think i've said above - if someone was a vlogger - a whole different level of encroachment - sat next to me then i'd feel exactly the same as you. Uncomfortable, and it would impact on my enjoyment etc (eg: worrying about footage of me swearing or acting silly if we score ending up somewhere)
 


dazzer6666

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A nice little telling off, "point your f***ing phone in a different direction or I'll shove it up your arse", should do the trick in a lot of cases.

I understand the harm caused... many people don't feel comfortable with strangers filming them in emotional situation. When I've filmed stuff I've always had the principle "don't film anyone shitting, cumming, mourning or celebrating, unless they ask for it". Allow people to be emotional and vulnerable without feeling like some sort of zoo animals.
This, but I’d probably start more politely (unless I was supposed to be at work and told my boss I was ill, then I’d start with this :lolol:)

I don’t want to be in your vlog, so please keep your camera off me.
 




el punal

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I have watched a few of his Vloggs and they are ok, but I am not really his target audience. He high 5s and asks opinions mainly of younger fans. He has his place and does no harm, if I occasionally sat next to him, I don't think I would mind to much, in actual fact he would probably have to do some heavy editing during vital moments in the game. However if I was a season ticket holder, I would like to know in advance and either insist on him moving or I would, I could see the constant chatter annoying after two games.
This is part of the rich tapestry of football watching in the 2020s. I’m not bothered by it and some content is really good thanks to our Ecuadorean friend Ronald. Many of these vlogs are watched by fans throughout the world and in many instances converts neutral football fans into followers of the Albion. Now that is no bad thing in my view.
 


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I had a similar but definitely different experience on the tube yesterday.

Reasonably busy tube train and two 20 something year old women get on and are filming each other.

One is dressed as a slutty school girl and the other has a skirt that didn’t really cover her arse (certainly not from a sitting down position) and it didn’t appear that she had underwear on.

The slutty school girl starts swinging from the handrails in a way that I’m sure gave the camera an upskirt shot (I was just behind so saved from that treat).

They got off at the same stop as me and I’m heard them discussing uploading the videos and making money from.

God knows what video I’m in the background of!
 
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Jackthelad

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It’s difficult not to inwardly dislike some of these bloggers. I used to watch one of the more popular Brighton fan ones with the 4 lads and a couple of the guys of that panel really think they’re A-list celebrates they way they prance around at the Amex. I think compared to other clubs we have much less annoying ones tho.
 




Bozza

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He’s an annoying ****, sorry but he is

This is part of the rich tapestry of football watching in the 2020s. I’m not bothered by it and some content is really good thanks to our Ecuadorean friend Ronald. Many of these vlogs are watched by fans throughout the world and in many instances converts neutral football fans into followers of the Albion. Now that is no bad thing in my view.

Yeah, I don't want to get mean-spirited about people trying to make a go of things.

As much as I'm not a fan of terms such as "content creation" and "influencers", I understand it's a feature of modern life. Me being a grumpy middle-aged man about it isn't going to make any difference at all.

This has reminded me I have seen one of Luke's videos. He was videoing players leaving the training ground, stopping them to ask them a question or two. What stood out was Joel Veltman being just so lovely with him, of course. Veltman said he'd seen some of his stuff, it was really good and he should keep on going. It was just a really nice pep talk, and you could see it meant a lot to Luke.
 


Hotchilidog

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Personally I enjoy these videos but I appreciate that some people would rather not appear in them. I'd really just suggest a polite word to the vlogger in question to point their camera in a different direction should suffice.
 


Han Solo

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Its not just Luke and Ronald though. Apart from the vloggers of course there's literally thousands i'd say at every match who just document the game "normally" and often this footage / photos ends up on social media. Do we mind it when fans sitting near us do that ? Or is it just the vloggers who deserve scrutiny ?
Tell all those people that the game will be documented by TV cameras etc som they can relax and watch the game instead of their phones.
 






Insel affe

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Feb 23, 2009
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This is part of the rich tapestry of football watching in the 2020s. I’m not bothered by it and some content is really good thanks to our Ecuadorean friend Ronald. Many of these vlogs are watched by fans throughout the world and in many instances converts neutral football fans into followers of the Albion. Now that is no bad thing in my view.
Oh I agree, and I watch them on occasions, I can also see and appreciate the positives like Luke including younger kids for their opinions etc including them in their match day experience. Then you have folk like Ronald who spread the word far and wide in a positive way, you cannot knock that.
However to be sat next to someone who is constantly chattering and holding their phone up next to you, could be considered intrusive, you may not have a choice to be put through that. We have to consider everyone is different at a game, some like the boisterous side, others like to watch intently at every player and passage of play on the pitch, and may not appreciate a phone being whipped out in front of them or to the side when a player is running down the wing or whatever, and your elderly or not as mobile to lean over to get a better view etc over an out stretched arm with a phone on the end of it aimed at the pitch.
I think you should know if you are going to be sat next to a vlogger to be honest, especially if you are buying a season ticket for a lot of money.

I may sound like a grumpy old man, but as I say a game or two, yeah I could suck it up, but a season, nah not happy with that.
 


Insel affe

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I had a similar but definitely different experience on the tube yesterday.

Reasonably busy tube train and two 20 something year old women get on and are filming each other.

One is dressed as a slutty school girl and the other has a skirt that didn’t really cover her arse (certainly not from a sitting down position) and it didn’t appear that she had underwear on.

The slutty school girl starts swinging from the handrails in a way that I’m sure gave the camera an upskirt shot (I was just behind so saved from that treat).

They got off at the same stop as me and I’m heard them discussing uploading the videos and making money from.

God knows what video I’m in the background of!
I am guessing you were late home after having to get a tube back the other way to your original destination.
 




Oh_aye

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At one of our aways this season I was in close proximity to a vlogger. At Old Trafford last season I was very near Ronald and barely noticed him filming, but this other one was a detriment to the experience of the game. Constant commentary while he filmed himself (and occasionally the game) that was annoying and distracting, body language that seemed almost hostile in avoiding interaction with other fans except during half time (because that'd interrupt the commentary), and the only person not joining in the songs. Anyway, last night I thought I'd try and find the footage on YouTube, and I did - I'm in it numerous times singing / celebrating / despairing with others which I find a bit irritating to have had no choice in, and In the footage - which I'm not going to post - he even directly draws attention to the reaction of other fans, not in a negative way, but still in a "look at that reaction" way and even in the moment I noticed people's awareness of him affecting them.

It's different from club footage or MoTD which we know we may feature in and have to be OK with, because this is 10-15 minutes that being a fan-eye view essentially follows the emotional journey of the group of fans who are around the individual for the entire match. Something about that feels more exposing and open to public ridicule from others (and while I have no reason to be particularly embarrassed I also don't think I'd love my Brighton-curious colleagues and clients stumbling across it).

This is, I realise, part rant, part self-conscious annoyance, but just wondered what other people's take and view is? It's so open and obvious it's taking place I'm guessing it's permitted but a single individual influenced the experience and behaviour of maybe 6 fans around him and that doesn't seem totally fair? Do we have a right to ask and expect them to stop?
It's a funny one, I quite looking at good versions of those. Ronald's are the best because it's in a foreign language so I don't have to cringe at the bollocks they are spouting. I also usually prefer opponents ones. So I can hear what they are saying about Brighton.

In general though, I really dislike the social mediarisation of football. Well, of everything really. Narcissistic, voyeuristic aspect of everyone trying to be an atomised singular star of the show.

I started watching football In the 80s. So it's always represented something of a private party, where once you're in, it's just experiential with the other people there. The idea of recording it for any reason just doesn't occur to me.

But, I just have to file it under the general banner of my distaste for general social media and people's engagement with it and seeming need to be filming everything and pretending to be an expert. I just have to accept that that's just the way society has chosen to go and my distaste for it is on a par with my grandma's distaste for drum and bass!. An old fart who just doesn't get it.
 


Justice

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Not to labour the point but you're often unaware you're in the footage. Let alone asked permission to use it on Sky or club channels etc. And there's often implied permission. But yes its a different level of intimacy as @Bozza argues with vloggers . I agree.
Impressive U turn on Vloggers within a few posts.
 


BNthree

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Ive been the row behind a vlogger before and didn’t mind at the time. However watching the video online and seeing myself from an angle I’ve never seen before made me realise I definitely needed to lose some weight. It wasn’t particularly flattering but then that’s what I look like so not much I can do about that.
 


Guinness Boy

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Ive been the row behind a vlogger before and didn’t mind at the time. However watching the video online and seeing myself from an angle I’ve never seen before made me realise I definitely needed to lose some weight. It wasn’t particularly flattering but then that’s what I look like so not much I can do about that.
I've been in the background in a couple of Ronald's and my precise reaction both times was 'ooops, time to work on the tummy'. *




*I obviously haven't
 




HangletonGull

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Wolves away last season in the cup was next to a Japanese vlogger he didn’t speak a word of English so when I tried to chat with him it was disaster
 




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