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[Albion] Eiran Cashin [31/01/25: sings a 5 1/2 year deal]







sussex_guy2k2

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I think this is likely as well.

It would be basically the manger saying to the club, I don't want this centre back you've found me
Surely it has to be Weiffer? You can’t lose Baleba’s dynamism in midfield. And if Weiffer still can’t get in this side with the way we’re playing at the moment, and with all the injuries, then we may as well pack him off.

Saying that, every time he plays he does something that seems to cost us big time, so maybe we should stick with giving Cashin a chance in his best position.
 




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Don't need much pace if you read the game well. The brilliant 2 meter ball-playing CB who will catch Elanga in a sprint doesn't exist and to the extent it does, that player will be the leading player in the title winning team.

Not saying pace isn't useful but won't be a massive priority when signing a CB. Anytime someone posts a graphic of Mickey van der Ven being one of the fastest sprinters in the league, I think "ok, and how much is that helping Tottenham compared to if they had a central defender that can read the game?"
Good point.
 


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Don't need much pace if you read the game well. The brilliant 2 meter ball-playing CB who will catch Elanga in a sprint doesn't exist and to the extent it does, that player will be the leading player in the title winning team.

Not saying pace isn't useful but won't be a massive priority when signing a CB. Anytime someone posts a graphic of Mickey van der Ven being one of the fastest sprinters in the league, I think "ok, and how much is that helping Tottenham compared to if they had a central defender that can read the game?"

Teams playing a very high line (us) need CB’s with great recovery pace. Especially if the FB’s push way up field in attack …. Estupinan and Hinshelwood do.
 




sussex_guy2k2

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Don't need much pace if you read the game well. The brilliant 2 meter ball-playing CB who will catch Elanga in a sprint doesn't exist and to the extent it does, that player will be the leading player in the title winning team.

Not saying pace isn't useful but won't be a massive priority when signing a CB. Anytime someone posts a graphic of Mickey van der Ven being one of the fastest sprinters in the league, I think "ok, and how much is that helping Tottenham compared to if they had a central defender that can read the game?"
Van der Ven has only played 11 games this season… that’s part of the issue for Spurs.
 




singing4seagulls

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So with Baleba being preferred at CB to Cashin, it looks for all intents and purposes Cashin was signed as backup option if things got worse on injuries.

Obviously against a team with Vardy needs some pace in defence, but I can't really see how he gets in the team now if even with no other CBs available he doesn't make the cut.

Very odd signing tbh.
 




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Yep.. I was sure he would play him, and frankly makes his cameo role vs Villa very odd.. feel very sorry for him..
So with Baleba being preferred at CB to Cashin, it looks for all intents and purposes Cashin was signed as backup option if things got worse on injuries.

Obviously against a team with Vardy needs some pace in defence, but I can't really see how he gets in the team now if even with no other CBs available he doesn't make the
 


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Gotta say I think there's a big overreaction about Cashin. I think the club's transfer model often requires them to be adjusted via training/loans for many months before they are ready for playing. It wasn't a good start but I believe in the potential. I think Baleba is one of the best players in the league. No surprise that he could do a job almost anywhere on the pitch and I don't think it means Cashin should be (or has been) written off.
 


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Gotta say I think there's a big overreaction about Cashin. I think the club's transfer model often requires them to be adjusted via training/loans for many months before they are ready for playing. It wasn't a good start but I believe in the potential. I think Baleba is one of the best players in the league. No surprise that he could do a job almost anywhere on the pitch and I don't think it means Cashin should be (or has been) written off.
Love how much blind faith some of our fans have🤣.

Cashin is absolute pony, and that's why despite him being a specialist Centre Back, the manager chose to play a midfielder there.
 




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Gotta say I think there's a big overreaction about Cashin. I think the club's transfer model often requires them to be adjusted via training/loans for many months before they are ready for playing. It wasn't a good start but I believe in the potential. I think Baleba is one of the best players in the league. No surprise that he could do a job almost anywhere on the pitch and I don't think it means Cashin should be (or has been) written off.
But the question remains, if he doesn’t start against Leicester, who does he start against? I thought he was really put in the deep end by coming on halfway through the Vila game but with a weeks preparation, I was expecting him to start yesterday.
 




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But the question remains, if he doesn’t start against Leicester, who does he start against? I thought he was really put in the deep end by coming on halfway through the Vila game but with a weeks preparation, I was expecting him to start yesterday.
Bearing in mind Baleba's comment ("Ididn't wake up this morning expecting to play CB") maybe everyone was expecting Cashin to start?
 




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It’s not a good sign that with essentially one half fit CB available besides him, he still didn’t get a game
 


Luke93

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Cashin was well hidden until he made his belated solitary appearance. Says a lot when Brighton had injury issues to CBs when he signed! If an out of form recovering from injury Dunk and a CM is preferred to a fully fit Chasin, it’s clear he’s not showing enough in training.

Not all signings are winners, and Cashin looks unlikely to be one.
 


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It’s not a good sign that with essentially one half fit CB available besides him, he still didn’t get a game

I get the impression he’s one that we’ve bought for what he might develop into, rather than what he is.

Which I normally don’t mind, but with him already in his mid-twenties, it feels like there has to be more of a near-immediate “step” than with most of our young signings.
 
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Stato

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I don't know why the surprise is so great. Lewis usually plays on the left side. Using Cashin would have meant moving him to the right. With Webster injured Dunk needs to be playing his way back into form. Neither Dunk nor Cashin have Baleba' s pace and we weren't going to be sitting back in this game. Following the difficult debut against Villa, and alongside an obviously not totally match fit Dunk, FH probably didn't want to expose him to the stick he would get if things didn't go well. I'm not saying that he was always going to pick someone else, just that the selection decision was probably more to do with the moment, rather than a comment on Cashin' s future potential. His opportunity will come. The manager didn't think that this was it. Looking at how weak the whole team's defending was, he was probably right.
 






Han Solo

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I don't know why the surprise is so great. Lewis usually plays on the left side. Using Cashin would have meant moving him to the right. With Webster injured Dunk needs to be playing his way back into form. Neither Dunk nor Cashin have Baleba' s pace and we weren't going to be sitting back in this game. Following the difficult debut against Villa, and alongside an obviously not totally match fit Dunk, FH probably didn't want to expose him to the stick he would get if things didn't go well. I'm not saying that he was always going to pick someone else, just that the selection decision was probably more to do with the moment, rather than a comment on Cashin' s future potential. His opportunity will come. The manager didn't think that this was it. Looking at how weak the whole team's defending was, he was probably right.
Exactly.

Fab had the choice between starting 11 proven Premier League players in a pretty much "must-win" game or he could have started 10 proven Premier League players and a guy who has played 20 minutes of PL in his career and who had spent three months on the bench and therefore is obviously severly match unfit. And he went with 11 proven and match fit players, moving back a midfielder some 20 meters to play in defense, because its the sensible thing to do.

But apparently concepts like match fitness, experience and our current chase in the late stages of a season are all ignored when it comes to Eiran Cashin because people really really want Fabian Hurzeler to think Cashin is as bad as they think he is, so that their knee-jerk reactions from the Villa game doesn't come across as deludedly impatient as they actually were.

One of the main reasons people used in their "if he isn't starting against Leicester, than Fab hates him!!!" arguments is that "Leicester is a Championship team" and "if he can't play against Leicester, when can he play?" etc... excuse me, but wtf? Have this people watched football before? Have they seen the Premier League and the fact that even bottom teams take points every now and then? Have they seen BRIGHTON playing against bottom teams?

Its not a league where you can just put your shoes out and some random unfit debutants in the team and walk home with the victory.
 


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