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[News] RIP Virginia Giuffre



SouthSaxon

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However “willing” she may have appeared. I don’t think she did. But a 17 year old is vulnerable by default and not in a position to understand or make informed decisions when being manipulated by adults who have the intentions Epstein et al had.

I’m 48 and if a 17 yr old seemed willing to sleep with me, no matter how much they seemed to consent, it would be an absolute NO.

They took full advantage of a vulnerable young female. There’s no debate here for me.
A 17 year old who had suffered abuse since age 7, and was abused and trafficked by another (Ron Eppinger) age 14.

That level of trauma would have left her extremely vulnerable as a 17 year old, which Maxwell and Epstein then preyed on.
 




The Clamp

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A 17 year old who had suffered abuse since age 7, and was abused and trafficked by another (Ron Eppinger) age 14.

That level of trauma would have left her extremely vulnerable as a 17 year old, which Maxwell and Epstein then preyed on.
Precisely this.
 




jcdenton08

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A very sad story and a nasty business. Could do without conspiracy speculation, but I appreciate it is inevitable however poor in taste it is. RIP.
 






The Clamp

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Posting on social media that she was going to die after her car accident seems like a cry for help’s as mentioned by another poster earlier.

Additionally, when someone is expressing these kind of things, posts and thoughts centred around imminent death, it’s a red flag that they are imagining death and the process leading up to it.

It doesn’t necessarily have to be focussed on suicide. The ideation of death and life ending in any context is a common sign of someone thinking of ending their own life .

Just incredibly sad. Another woman who didn’t get to fulfill her potential because of abuse perpetrated by thoroughly evil adults .
 


A1X

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Wonder if non-sweaty gives 2 shits...

Him and his cohorts need to be bought to justice asap
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Lenny Rider

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A very sad story and a nasty business. Could do without conspiracy speculation, but I appreciate it is inevitable however poor in taste it is. RIP.
Unfortunately its the world we live in, it’s very, very sad that a person has lost her life, worse still it appears that she has taken her life, but clearly with the other protagonists in the whole episode, there will always be question marks.

Not sure her principal abuser killed himself either 🤷‍♂️
 




DavidinSouthampton

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I don't know, I'm in two minds. I mean she was likely traumatised by her experiences. Plus what would these dark forces have to gain by having her killed and covering it up?
Indeed this. From what I’ve read this morning, she was already a prime mover and encourager in exposing Epstein and co right from the very beginning - a very strong and determined person by all accounts. If anybody was trying to “shut her up”, it’s a bit late.
 




Thunder Bolt

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A truly sad story, a young woman who was treated in a despicable fashion by evil men.

I was in the Navy the same time as the Royal and on more than one occasion at the School of Maritime Operations HMS Dryad had to salute him, he was a kunt then and is now.
I heard the same from people serving at the same time.
 


















Jackthelad

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I do think she was abused. And the Daily Mail set out to destroy her. There are just certain people who are untouchable. Poor woman. I suspect the media wil try and destroy her reputation and class her as mad and delusional.
 








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