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Credit card fraud warning



spidey

New member
Jun 17, 2004
474
B Hill
Just been warned about this, and could potentially be financially fatal
so close to Christmas.

Please pass on to all people on your mailing list. I got this from a
contact in the Halifax Visa team so it is happening!!

Visa and MasterCard Scam. A friend was called on the telephone this week
from 'VISA' and I was called on Thursday from 'MasterCard'.

It worked like this: Person calling says, 'this is Carl Patterson (any
name) and I'm calling from the Security and Fraud Department at VISA.
My Badge number is 12460. Your card has been flagged for an unusual
purchase pattern, and I'm calling to verify. Did you purchase an
Anti-Telemarketing Company a device/any expensive item, for £497.99 from a
marketing company based in (any town?)

When you say 'No'. The caller continues with, 'Then we will be issuing a
credit to your Account. This is a company we have been watching and the
charges range from £297 To £497, just under the £500 purchase pattern that
flags most cards. Before your next statement, the credit will be sent to
(they give you your address), is that correct?'

You say, 'Yes'. The caller continues . . 'I will be starting a fraud
investigation. If you have any questions, you should call the 0800 number
listed on your card and ask for Security. You will need to refer to this
Control number. They then give you a 6-digit number. 'Do you need me to
read it again?

Caller then says he 'needs to verify you are in possession of your card'
(this is where the scam takes place as up until now they have requested
nothing!). They then ask you to turn your card over.

There are 7 numbers; the first 4 are 1234 (or whatever, as they have your
number anyway).

The next 3 are the security numbers that verify that you are in
possession of the card' (these are the numbers they are really after as
these are the numbers you use to make internet purchases to prove you
have the card).

'Read me the 3 numbers.' When you do he says 'That is correct. I just
needed to verify that the card has not been lost or stolen, and that you
still have your card. Do you have any other questions?

Don't hesitate to call back if you do.'

You actually say very little, and they never ask for or tell you the Card
number. But after we were called on Wednesday, we telephoned back within
20 minutes to ask a question. Are we glad we did! The REAL VISA security
department told us it was a scam and in the last 15 minutes a new purchase
of £497.99 WAS put on our card. Long story made short.

We made a real fraud report and closed the VISA card and they are
reissuing us a new number. What the scam wants is the 3-digit number and
that once the charge goes through, they keep changing every few days. By
the time you get your statement, you think the credit is coming, and then
it's harder to actually file a fraud report.

THE REAL VISA/MASTERCARD DEPARTMENT REINFORCED THE POINT THAT THEY WILL
NEVER ASK FOR ANYTHING ABOUT THE CARD SINCE THEY ALREADY KNOW EVERYTHING
ABOUT IT!!!!.

What makes this even more remarkable is that on Thursday I got a call
from 'Jason Richardson of MasterCard' with a word for word repeat of the
VISA Scam. This time I didn't let him finish. I hung up. We filed a police
report (as instructed by VISA), and they said they are taking several of
these reports daily and to tell friends, relatives and co-workers so
please pass this on to your friends.
 




afters

Well-known member
Jul 9, 2003
6,876
as 10cc say, not in hove
nasty. i always have real problems when my bank ring up and start by asking me security questions.....this is far worse though, be careful!
 


Rangdo

Registered Cider Drinker
Apr 21, 2004
4,779
Cider Country
Cheers, but you should never ever say anything to anyone about your card details unless you have phoned them ie. you are making a purchase.
Quite a clever scam though. Thieving bastards.
 


empire

Well-known member
Dec 1, 2003
11,702
dreamland
well you should use cash instead then all this would stop!not being funny but thats surely the answer,never had,never will have credit,if i havent earnt it and got the cash,i go without end of
 


Lammy

Registered Abuser
Oct 1, 2003
7,581
Newhaven/Lewes/Atlanta
A lot of companies don't bother ask for that security number. I can't remember the last ime I used my own card to purchase a ticket from Brighton and Hove Albion FC fro example...
 




Lammy

Registered Abuser
Oct 1, 2003
7,581
Newhaven/Lewes/Atlanta
empire said:
well you should use cash instead then all this would stop!not being funny but thats surely the answer,never had,never will have credit,if i havent earnt it and got the cash,i go without end of

Bit tricky if you are in a job that requires you to spend money and then claim it back on expenses.
 


Lammy

Registered Abuser
Oct 1, 2003
7,581
Newhaven/Lewes/Atlanta
I take it everyone is awae of the skimming scam that is going on at the moment. Gangs put a card reader over the top of the card slot on a cash machine. This records your card details when you use it. In some cases they also use small cameras to reord the pin numbers too!

I've seen pictures of the devices and they're not obvious if you didn't know what you are looking for.
 


Rangdo

Registered Cider Drinker
Apr 21, 2004
4,779
Cider Country
empire said:
well you should use cash instead then all this would stop!not being funny but thats surely the answer,never had,never will have credit,if i havent earnt it and got the cash,i go without end of

Hmm interesting. I don't think my broadband connection takes cash.
 






Lammy

Registered Abuser
Oct 1, 2003
7,581
Newhaven/Lewes/Atlanta
Here's the piccies

Normal
cm001.jpg


With skimming device added.
cm002.jpg


For mor info check out this site.

http://www.ncis.co.uk/cashmachinesecurity.asp
 


Rangdo

Registered Cider Drinker
Apr 21, 2004
4,779
Cider Country






Rangdo

Registered Cider Drinker
Apr 21, 2004
4,779
Cider Country
empire said:
dont get a bill then?

Please join this century. I mean when I purchase things over the internet I can't stuff cash down the ethernet cable. I need to use a card to make purchases.
Besides there are very few ways to avoid using plastic. You may not use credit cards but peoples pay generally goes into their bank so the only convenient way to access it is to use a bank card to withdraw cash, make purchases, or write checks. Unless you only access your cash using a passbook, which is a pain in the arse, then plastic is essential.
 
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Blackadder

Brighton Bhuna Boy
Jul 6, 2003
16,087
Haywards Heath
I tend to use cashback from supermakets etc more than ATMs these days.

It's deemed to be a lot safer.
 






empire

Well-known member
Dec 1, 2003
11,702
dreamland
Rangdo said:
Please join this century. I mean when I purchase things over the internet I can't stuff cash down the ethernet cable. I need to use a card to make purchases.
Besides there are very few ways to avoid using plastic. You may not use credit cards but peoples pay generally goes into their bank so the only convenient way to access it is to use a bank card to withdraw cash, make purchases, or write checks. Unless you only access your cash using a passbook, which is a pain in the arse, then plastic is essential.
please join this century,what to have all my money taken out!!!wake up,i have no sympathy for you!!!!hope they skim your account this weekend,then you can carry on praising the modern century
 


Rangdo

Registered Cider Drinker
Apr 21, 2004
4,779
Cider Country
empire said:
please join this century,what to have all my money taken out!!!wake up,i have no sympathy for you!!!!hope they skim your account this weekend,then you can carry on praising the modern century
So you have no plastic cards at all? No debit/cash cards? You do all your banking with a paying in book?
Thanks for the concern by the way but any fraud that my card is subjected to that is not my own doing i.e. me giving people my details, is covered either by the bank or by my card insurance so I'm not too bothered to be honest.
 
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Cian

Well-known member
Jul 16, 2003
14,262
Dublin, Ireland
Good god man, don't EVER pass on any mail of any kind that tells you to pass it on, not matter how hysterically real it seems. Particularly not virus warnings for one thing, but this kind is almot as bad.
 


spidey

New member
Jun 17, 2004
474
B Hill
No, I'm not having a laugh or taking the piss.
We had a mail round at work & thought I'd pass on the warning.
If it's fake then we haven't got anything to worry about!
 


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