[Albion] Fabian Hurzeler: IN or OUT

[Mancgull]

Explain this to me: we are in a very similar league position to RDZ last season, albeit without Europe to contend with. We were penalty kicks away from a Wembley trip, and our injury problems are as bad or worse than last season.

Brentford are still below us in the table, with an established, popular manager, who has been there for a number of seasons and never made Europe. Their highest ever finish is 9th.

Whilst they have a lower wage bill, they have suffered 12 total injuries compared to our 22.

Why do people want the manager out, when ours is outperforming much more established media darlings?

But we have a significantly stronger squad this season than last.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Don’t think he’s doing a very good job but would be stupid to sack him at this point in the season.

This. But much more of this and he needs binning off in May.

 

[Flounce]

Explain this to me: we are in a very similar league position to RDZ last season, albeit without Europe to contend with. We were penalty kicks away from a Wembley trip, and our injury problems are as bad or worse than last season.

Brentford are still below us in the table, with an established, popular manager, who has been there for a number of seasons and never made Europe. Their highest ever finish is 9th.

Whilst they have a lower wage bill, they have suffered 12 total injuries compared to our 22.

Why do people want the manager out, when ours is outperforming much more established media darlings?

It’s not the losing or drawing, it’s the manner of how we are now doing it week in and out now. The body language of the players recently has been awful imo and the number of sucker goal we concede on the break has not been addressed at all. A manager with nous adjusts things when the weakness in defence is so obvious. FH can’t be blamed for players missing sitters but he can be blamed for the number of times the keeper is left with no chance of stopping break away goals

Today was an absolutely appalling performance from a team that looked to me like they had given up and didn’t know what they were supposed to be doing and turned petulant as they got turned over.

 

[HangletonGull]

Explain this to me: we are in a very similar league position to RDZ last season, albeit without Europe to contend with. We were penalty kicks away from a Wembley trip, and our injury problems are as bad or worse than last season.

Brentford are still below us in the table, with an established, popular manager, who has been there for a number of seasons and never made Europe. Their highest ever finish is 9th.

Whilst they have a lower wage bill, they have suffered 12 total injuries compared to our 22.

Why do people want the manager out, when ours is outperforming much more established media darlings?

Too ask that question I can only assume you don’t go to games

 

[The Fits]

IN. These players simply do not care, they only want to turn up when they’ve got a chance to audition for a big six team. That’s not his fault

Definitely something in this. A worrying culture developing.

 

[Stato]

Do you actually watch the games? Injuries have no bearing on the way the teams set up. Every game we get done with almost identical goals. Every manager spots the weakness and exploits it.

You mean that weakness of having midfielders playing at full back and an older centre back playing through lack of fitness because there's nobody else available? Absolutely. You'd have to be mad to think that had anything to do with injuries.

 

[Mancgull]

I was fence leaning towards out after we didn't get a response last week against Leicester after losing to that lot the previous week.
Fallen off the fence now

Two defeats against clubs ( Palace and Brentford) where Fabian will know, or certainly should, that we have history and need a performance.

 

[withdeanwombat]

Pointless sacking a manager at this stage, but I imagine a sacking will be in the owner’s mind right now. He has spent big on this squad, and good players have been brought in. I imagine that this season has seen their values drop.

There seems to be little pattern in the play, and lately little dynamism. The manager is ultimately responsible for such things, and the current incumbent seems not to have too many answers….except to trust the process, whatever that means.

I haven’t voted simply because a sacking now would be ineffective. The points we have let slip so easily will not come back. We are at least safe for this season, but I think TB will want better. We all want better.

 

[Ike and Tina Burner]

Keeps going on about cup finals. You're meant to win cup finals, or at least try.
OUT OUT OUT (at the end of the season)

 

[jcdenton08]

Not really. A lot of injuries to some players but nearly all our best ones have been largely injury free. check the stats.
Poor management is the bigger factor now.

We must be looking at different stats.

We have lost the second highest number of minutes through injury behind Arsenal in the Premier League in the current season.

Presently:

Veltman, Kadioglu or Lamptey would be right back. Webster or Igor would be ahead of Dunk. Rutter would be playing. Mitoma/March would be starting. Steele is very possible to have played ahead of out of form Verbruggen. Kadioglu or Igor are very likely to have rotated with a tired Estupinan for minutes. Milner definitely would’ve had minutes in central midfield, where he started the season.

Throughout the season we’ve had injuries to almost all of our starters.

 

[jcdenton08]

Too ask that question I can only assume you don’t go to games

I’m a STH.

 

[ACobweb]

To see him get sacked outright would still be a surprise but when he sits down with the club hierarchy at the end of the season I could well see a mutual agreement call it quits. The club can get someone new in without seeming too harsh and he can go back to a league where they play 10 fewer games and his players can run around a lot without gtting injured.

 

[Hamilton]

Have moved to the Fence.

If I don’t see something resembling a half decent performance against West Ham then I will climb off the fence.

 

[DJ NOBO]

Does anyone genuinely believe Fab could significantly improve our results and style?
[Not hope that could happen, or want that to happen but believe it could happen under Fab).

 

[jcdenton08]

But we have a significantly stronger squad this season than last.

Not even sure about that either. Wieffer has been struggling with injury, as has O’Riley after the horror tackle, we’ve lost Enciso, Ferguson and Buonanotte and gained Minteh and Rutter (injured).

 

[peterward]

I make no apologies for this potentially divisive thread.

Today has been a f***ing embarrassment of a performance and injuries are no excuse.

Clueless doesn’t cover it and given our recent form and performances this is not a knee jerk

I haven’t called for a managers head since the latter days of Chris Hughton.

So so pissed off with how this season has fallen apart with clueless management…just imo. I accept others may have a different opinion.

Oh how I've missed the weekly Hughton/Potter IN/OUT threads.

Kinda died under RDZs spell.

Welcome back!

 

[BNthree]

We must be looking at different stats.

We have lost the second highest number of minutes through injury behind Arsenal in the Premier League in the current season.

Though Milner, who probably wouldn’t have been a regular starter, does skew that stat a lot.

 

[jcdenton08]

Because we don’t play anything remotely resembling adult professional football. We play a kind of chaos theory abstraction of some game involving a ball and a bunch of men.

If this were true we would be in Southampton’s position, which we aren’t.

 

[willalbion]

Do you actually watch the games? Injuries have no bearing on the way the teams set up. Every game we get done with almost identical goals. Every manager spots the weakness and exploits it.

Fair point, we are so easy to score against. Hoof into space behind our slow CB or our high FB, and goal.

 

[Hamilton]

Explain this to me: we are in a very similar league position to RDZ last season, albeit without Europe to contend with. We were penalty kicks away from a Wembley trip, and our injury problems are as bad or worse than last season.

Brentford are still below us in the table, with an established, popular manager, who has been there for a number of seasons and never made Europe. Their highest ever finish is 9th.

Whilst they have a lower wage bill, they have suffered 12 total injuries compared to our 22.

Why do people want the manager out, when ours is outperforming much more established media darlings?

And we hadn’t spent £200m with RDZ.

Brentford are below us.
So are Leicester.
So are Palace.
And so are West Ham.