Dorset Seagull
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[Football] Tactical Nerd Alert - Is building from the back dead?
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Has anyone told RDZ?
GloryDays
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I don’t know enough about it but I don’t think so. What I observed tho, is teams need to have an actual plan and passing patterns, and if a pass isn’t on then to not be afraid to go long and play some percentages to alleviate the press at times.
The ego of some of these coaches is astounding, that they would rather concede some of the worst goals in professional football than pump the ball fwd in to the channel.
But I’m a mere armchair pundit.
The ego of some of these coaches is astounding, that they would rather concede some of the worst goals in professional football than pump the ball fwd in to the channel.
But I’m a mere armchair pundit.
Does this mean we might be allowed to clear the ball properly to set up a counter now rather than wait an age for Verbruggen to have everyone in exactly the right place before restarting?
papachris
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I think it just goes to show that things are always evolving and the best coaches will be those willing to adapt or even come up with a whole new philosophy. If you remember with RDZ for quite a while we were blowing away the opposition, they simply couldn't cope with us. One of the first to work us out was probably Sean Dyche, handing us a very unexpected heavy home defeat. Gradually more teams worked us out and along with our crippling injuries at the time and Roberto's unwillingness to have a plan b we were much less successful.
More ‘vertical’ playing is taking over. Could someone send the link to FH and, especially, Bart ?
It’s a style that can look amazing when executed by a team of brilliant players.
But it’s not a great style in its own right.
A bit like when teams tried to imitate Man City (when they were invincible).
They missed the point that it was the quality of players that drove city’s success more than the style.
But it’s not a great style in its own right.
A bit like when teams tried to imitate Man City (when they were invincible).
They missed the point that it was the quality of players that drove city’s success more than the style.
jonny.rainbow
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I have always thought that knocking the ball into touch for an opposition throw-in in their own half from a goal-kick is an under-exploited tactic.
It concedes possession but gains ground and an opportunity to quickly win the ball back by pressing in the opposition half.
It concedes possession but gains ground and an opportunity to quickly win the ball back by pressing in the opposition half.
Jimmy Grimble
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Fulham and Bournemouth have done it a lot this year. We were doing it a bit during our winning run, too.
There’s definitely been a tactical return to what used to be referred to as ‘percentage football’. All about getting the ball into the opposition’s half quickly and then players winning their 1v1 battles. Less emphasis on structured build-up and more on physicality and dynamism.
It’ll be interesting to see what Pep does next year with Man City as he has been the tactical trailblazer of the last 15 years.
Nobby Cybergoat
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It's definitely not dead. But as a we do it every time, it's just the way we play mate, sort of ideology, it might be.
It's still a great way of getting space in behind, but you need to keep the opposition guessing. The if you've got a keeper who can go short, mid and and long, and signals that the players understand where to move and when, then it's hard for the opposition to defend all the people and spaces.
But yeh, we're miles off this in terms of tactics and personnel
It's still a great way of getting space in behind, but you need to keep the opposition guessing. The if you've got a keeper who can go short, mid and and long, and signals that the players understand where to move and when, then it's hard for the opposition to defend all the people and spaces.
But yeh, we're miles off this in terms of tactics and personnel
Birdie Boy
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I think our medical room is already full without doing this! However, I do agree and the occasional long ball is good. Look at the Mitoma goal afew months back.
It's how rugby union is often played
Yes indeed, but they may need to unlearn some stuff - I think the spontaneity has been driven out of many of them.
Regarding goals “for” scored from goal kicks, at what point does the play become the “next phase” in his analysis? i.e. no goal scored? There must be more chance of this than scoring a goal? To therefore use “goals scored” surely heavily biases his theory towards goals conceded? He also says himself the build up from the back is to maintain possession. So if this is the aim then he can’t use goals scored as a metric?
I’m not overly convinced by this guy.
I’m not overly convinced by this guy.
Which is why I prefer football.It's how rugby union is often played
Dorset Seagull
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I have watched a lot of his videos in the past and find his analysis thought provoking. He isn’t always right but he does have a good knowledge of systems and tactics and analysis of a particular managers style.