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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)







A1X

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Not exactly equal, no, but have you seen Fox News, GB News, Daily Mail? Some sections of the media we consume in the West is almost as bad.
They are, but we do at least have media plurality (at least in some form) and people have unfettered access to resources online, neither of which can be said of Russia.

If everyone in America was forced to consume their news purely through Fox, or the UK only through the Daily Mail, then things would be a lot different round here.
 


Nobby Cybergoat

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They are, but we do at least have media plurality (at least in some form) and people have unfettered access to resources online, neither of which can be said of Russia.

If everyone in America was forced to consume their news purely through Fox, or the UK only through the Daily Mail, then things would be a lot different round here.
Yes. We'd be just like Russia.
 


Baldseagull

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They are, but we do at least have media plurality (at least in some form) and people have unfettered access to resources online, neither of which can be said of Russia.

If everyone in America was forced to consume their news purely through Fox, or the UK only through the Daily Mail, then things would be a lot different round here.
I have gone sideways a bit on this because of Triggars challenge, but my point was more that those in Russia that are aware that their Government is willing to say whatever it needs to say, are aware that other States do this also, whichever media channel is reporting what the Government has said. I concede that more media in the UK and US will challenge those statements, but the message is out there still.
No doubt, in a game of Top Trumps bullshit media, Russia 24 probably wins most hands.
 


Hugo Rune

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If it’s defeated, Russia should be dissolved and shared out among its neighbouring territories. It must no longer exist as a sovereign nation called Russia .

Russia should no longer exist.
I don’t think it needs to be shared out to the neighbours, just lots of sovereign states within:
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However, the rest of the world would need to ‘buy’ their Nukes off them. Too dangerous to have this little kingdoms with their fingers on the button.
 




Nobby Cybergoat

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I don’t think it needs to be shared out to the neighbours, just lots of sovereign states within:
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However, the rest of the world would need to ‘buy’ their Nukes off them. Too dangerous to have this little kingdoms with their fingers on the button.
Hmm. Only one country has ever voluntarily given up nukes snd given the last couple of years, nobody else is likely to follow
 










Eric the meek

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The following came as news to me, so I'm guessing that it will be news to some others on here.

Putin once wanted to join Nato. But he didn't want to go through the usual application process and stand in line “with a lot of countries that don’t matter”.

 


A1X

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The following came as news to me, so I'm guessing that it will be news to some others on here.

Putin once wanted to join Nato. But he didn't want to go through the usual application process and stand in line “with a lot of countries that don’t matter”.

Interesting, the Soviets were keen on joining when it was initially established but I hadn’t realised they’d come back.
 








Nobby Cybergoat

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Lots of twitter reports of the counter offensive today.

Everything i'm reading is very positive, but the fog of war is very strong with this war, so it's very hard to know what to believe
 






Mellotron

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Shiogu now reportedly looking to have Prigozhin and a number of other senior Wagner members arrested.

Civil War - Loading …21/100%
 


The Clamp

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Murmurs of some nations thinking not enough help is being given to Ukraine, or not enough of the right type of help.
Poland in particular. Whispers of possibly putting troops into Ukraine.
 


¡Cereal Killer!

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Murmurs of some nations thinking not enough help is being given to Ukraine, or not enough of the right type of help.
Poland in particular. Whispers of possibly putting troops into Ukraine.

Would be very brave for any country to send in troops to fight with Ukraine.
I would imagine Putin will take it as an escalation and retaliate. But at the same time, would Putin really want to escalate by attacking a NATO country?
 




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