[Politics] Tory meltdown finally arrived [was: incoming]...

[Thunder Bolt]

The first deportee to Rwanda, has disappeared from the Hope Hostel (that we're paying for) already.

 

[The Clamp]

They are indeed (almost) guaranteed to win but there is no sign of a plan. Looking at the 10 policies posted earlier, they are all good sound bites but supported with few numbers or crucially the policies that will produce the funding required. If this was the Tory top 10 policies, they would rightly get ripped to shreds on here.
Not being the Tories will win them the election and that’s a very good thing, but given the likelihood of a large majority they have the opportunity to offer up a coordinated plan that goes into areas that are necessary for the long term good of the country but will be short term unpopular with many. Instead, they are largely offering more of the same but (hopefully) without the corruption or lies.
I’m not angry, just very disappointed.

You are simply incorrect. There is a plan. There are solid policies . And there is a plan to fund and implement.


Stop being so deliberately lazy and do some research.

Here, I’ll spoon feed you one last time.

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Funding-Britains-Future.pdf

 

[Bob!]

You are simply incorrect. There is a plan. There are solid policies . And there is a plan to fund and implement.


Stop being so deliberately lazy and do some research.

Here, I’ll spoon feed you one last time.

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Funding-Britains-Future.pdf

Is that current?
It's a John McDonnell document

 

[jcdenton08]

You are simply incorrect. There is a plan. There are solid policies . And there is a plan to fund and implement.


Stop being so deliberately lazy and do some research.

Here, I’ll spoon feed you one last time.

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Funding-Britains-Future.pdf

I’m not disagreeing with your point per se, but the example you used was a document from almost seven years ago, which talks about numerous points which have been either walked-back or outright scrapped.

I’ll be voting Labour (short of an absolutely insane manifesto, which won’t happen) but they’re playing cards close to chest on lots of issues to be fair. And I don’t blame them. Keep quiet, win comfortably, THEN make policy.

 

[The Clamp]

I’m not disagreeing with your point per se, but the example you used was a document from almost seven years ago, which talks about numerous points which have been either walked-back or outright scrapped.

I’ll be voting Labour (short of an absolutely insane manifesto, which won’t happen) but they’re playing cards close to chest on lots of issues to be fair. And I don’t blame them. Keep quiet, win comfortably, THEN make policy.

Ah. Apologies. My mistake. Should be more observant.

 

[The Clamp]

One thing they have stated, which I believe is already quite widely known is their aim to close tax avoidance loopholes to raise money.

How Will Labour Fund their 2024 Pledges: Tax Avoidance Clampdowns - ChamberUK

How has Labour proposed they will fund their pledges?

chamberuk.com

We shall see.

 

[Randy McNob]

I’m not disagreeing with your point per se, but the example you used was a document from almost seven years ago, which talks about numerous points which have been either walked-back or outright scrapped.

I’ll be voting Labour (short of an absolutely insane manifesto, which won’t happen) but they’re playing cards close to chest on lots of issues to be fair. And I don’t blame them. Keep quiet, win comfortably, THEN make policy.

It seems you are giving credence to the idea that a major political party, virtually given a free pass to form the next government have not even thought about what policies they would introduce once the inevitable transfer of power happens? That Kier Starmer would take the podium after his glorious victory and announce "sorry we didn't have a plan, we will go away and think about what to do now, sorry"

Really?

 

[jcdenton08]

It seems you are giving credence to the idea that a major political party, virtually given a free pass to form the next government have not even thought about what policies they would introduce once the inevitable transfer of power happens? That Kier Starmer would take the podium after his glorious victory and announce "sorry we didn't have a plan, we will go away and think about what to do now, sorry"

Really?

Oh, you again expecting rdodge and the other one to be along shortly

Where did I say any of that? Oh, and it’s Keir Starmer who will be the next PM - not Kier.

Re-read my post big boy!

 

[abc]

You are simply incorrect. There is a plan. There are solid policies . And there is a plan to fund and implement.


Stop being so deliberately lazy and do some research.

Here, I’ll spoon feed you one last time.

https://labour.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/10/Funding-Britains-Future.pdf

Why do you insist on being so arrogant in your views that you can’t abide anyone having an alternative one? Resorting to insults just compounds.
I do not believe that Labour’s current policy announcements constitutes a ‘plan’ that is going to get the country out of the mess it is in. That is my view. I am not being ‘deliberately lazy’ and I am not ‘simply incorrect’. It is my opinion. You may believe they do but I don’t. Isn’t the point of a thread like this to garner debate?

 

[The Clamp]

Why do you insist on being so arrogant in your views that you can’t abide anyone having an alternative one? Resorting to insults just compounds.
I do not believe that Labour’s current policy announcements constitutes a ‘plan’ that is going to get the country out of the mess it is in. That is my view. I am not being ‘deliberately lazy’ and I am not ‘simply incorrect’. It is my opinion. You may believe they do but I don’t. Isn’t the point of a thread like this to garner debate?

Apologies for the arrogance. Genuinely. You’re right on that.

 

[jcdenton08]

Apologies for the arrogance. Genuinely. You’re right on that.

Classy reply.

Moving on the discussion, I like that the core message that has been communicated is a strong one addressing inequality. Surely this is the number one issue to the majority (usually that term in its clinical sense) of Brits.

 

[abc]

Apologies for the arrogance. Genuinely. You’re right on that.

Really appreciate that

 

[abc]

Classy reply.

Moving on the discussion, I like that the core message that has been communicated is a strong one addressing inequality. Surely this is the number one issue to the majority (usually that term in its clinical sense) of Brits.

I think the intent and this messaging is indeed strong. Agree also agree tackling the extreme level of inequality prevalent now is a top priority. What I am not convinced by is that the genuine desire is accompanied by a sufficiently radical or strong plan to achieve it. This may be, in fairness, that the problems are so deeply imbedded that it is simply going to be a long, hard slog that cannot be turned into a clear plan or it may be that Labour are afraid of being seen as too radical and thus not being elected (as per JC). Either way I will vote labour (or reluctantly LD as the best chance of removing our Tory MP) because I do believe they are our best hope.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

It seems you are giving credence to the idea that a major political party, virtually given a free pass to form the next government have not even thought about what policies they would introduce once the inevitable transfer of power happens? That Kier Starmer would take the podium after his glorious victory and announce "sorry we didn't have a plan, we will go away and think about what to do now, sorry"

Really?

I think @jcdenton08 meant 'reveal' the plans after the election.

That's what I would do.

The more the Tories spaff nonsense, the more I'd step back and raise an eyebrow.