[Football] Vloggers at games

[Wozza]

Carry a sheet of folded A4 paper with "Vloggers are twats" printed on it.

Pull it out when necessary.

Sorted.

 

[Triggaaar]

I agree with this , and privacy concerns but also i think everyone forgets how scrutinised and filmed we are across a match. Not by vloggers . But By the club .(and the police) .

But the police are doing it in case there's a crime, they're not going to shove you on social media, and the club tend use to wider shots or agreed interviews, they don't spend the entire match in your face.

 

[Clive Walker]

At one of our aways this season I was in close proximity to a vlogger. At Old Trafford last season I was very near Ronald and barely noticed him filming, but this other one was a detriment to the experience of the game. Constant commentary while he filmed himself (and occasionally the game) that was annoying and distracting, body language that seemed almost hostile in avoiding interaction with other fans except during half time (because that'd interrupt the commentary), and the only person not joining in the songs. Anyway, last night I thought I'd try and find the footage on YouTube, and I did - I'm in it numerous times singing / celebrating / despairing with others which I find a bit irritating to have had no choice in, and In the footage - which I'm not going to post - he even directly draws attention to the reaction of other fans, not in a negative way, but still in a "look at that reaction" way and even in the moment I noticed people's awareness of him affecting them.

It's different from club footage or MoTD which we know we may feature in and have to be OK with, because this is 10-15 minutes that being a fan-eye view essentially follows the emotional journey of the group of fans who are around the individual for the entire match. Something about that feels more exposing and open to public ridicule from others (and while I have no reason to be particularly embarrassed I also don't think I'd love my Brighton-curious colleagues and clients stumbling across it).

This is, I realise, part rant, part self-conscious annoyance, but just wondered what other people's take and view is? It's so open and obvious it's taking place I'm guessing it's permitted but a single individual influenced the experience and behaviour of maybe 6 fans around him and that doesn't seem totally fair? Do we have a right to ask and expect them to stop?

yeah...interesting post. I think I'd feel the same as you. I attend football matches to absorb the occasion for myself and let whatever emotions naturally come out. I self moderate myself as im a decent person. I'd feel like my own personal experience which I love would be affected if I was being filmed for 'millions' to be able to view.

 

[Professor Plum]

But the police are doing it in case there's a crime, they're not going to shove you on social media, and the club tend to wider shots or agreed interviews, they don't spend the entire match in your face.

Yes, the two things are totally different. You might say that the benefit of the police's covert filming is that it's completely unobtrusive and allows you to get on with enjoying the game whereas the vlogger stuff is almost literally in-your-face and wants to capture your odd behaviour and stick it on YouTube.

 

[Pinkie Brown]

Consistent use of camera phones in Bundesliga is considered bad form. You'll often get told to put it away and support the team. Vlogging in an ultras block is likely to end badly. As that attention seeking gimp from Bolton (name escapes?) found out a few years back. Told in no uncertain terms to stop filming - 'Das ist kein verdammter Zoo!'

 

[Guinness Boy]

Consistent use of camera phones in Bundesliga is considered bad form. You'll often get told to put it away and support the team. Vlogging in an ultras block is likely to end badly. As that attention seeking gimp from Bolton (name escapes?) found out a few years back. Told in no uncertain terms to stop filming - 'Das ist kein verdammter Zoo!'

Thogden.

One of the worst people on earth. Ripped off a kid for a match worn set of keeper's gloves and filmed the lot. Hated across the vloggosphere. His Dad's politics are interesting to say the least. His dad apparently also sent threatening DMs to another vlogger who criticised them.

 

[Dick Swiveller]

Watched a few from other teams and the ones from Saints and Bournemouth were very good. The same vibe but calm analysis. No gurning or rapping. Don't have a particular problem with people doing it around me if it is like that. But don't want to be part of the squealing and "bantz". There really is a gap in the market for a decent Albion Vlogger. Ronald is great at what he does but we aren't really the target audience. And it has to be a great result to make me try and watch Luke as his persona has just gone full influencer cringe.

 

[Pinkie Brown]

Thogden.

One of the worst people on earth. Ripped off a kid for a match worn set of keeper's gloves and filmed the lot. Hated across the vloggosphere. His Dad's politics are interesting to say the least. His dad apparently also sent threatening DMs to another vlogger who criticised them.

That's the one. I know two Bolton fans and opinion of him is very mixed amongst their fanbase by account. Interesting re the Dad. One of those friends mentioned him being an obnoxious you-know-what.

He also turned up at a Union Berlin Conference League game some seasons back, shortly after Covid when there were still limitations on attendance. His Vlog was full of errors. One howler claimed it was FCU's first ever season in European Competition - it wasn't.

 

[jackalbion]

At one of our aways this season I was in close proximity to a vlogger. At Old Trafford last season I was very near Ronald and barely noticed him filming, but this other one was a detriment to the experience of the game. Constant commentary while he filmed himself (and occasionally the game) that was annoying and distracting, body language that seemed almost hostile in avoiding interaction with other fans except during half time (because that'd interrupt the commentary), and the only person not joining in the songs. Anyway, last night I thought I'd try and find the footage on YouTube, and I did - I'm in it numerous times singing / celebrating / despairing with others which I find a bit irritating to have had no choice in, and In the footage - which I'm not going to post - he even directly draws attention to the reaction of other fans, not in a negative way, but still in a "look at that reaction" way and even in the moment I noticed people's awareness of him affecting them.

It's different from club footage or MoTD which we know we may feature in and have to be OK with, because this is 10-15 minutes that being a fan-eye view essentially follows the emotional journey of the group of fans who are around the individual for the entire match. Something about that feels more exposing and open to public ridicule from others (and while I have no reason to be particularly embarrassed I also don't think I'd love my Brighton-curious colleagues and clients stumbling across it).

This is, I realise, part rant, part self-conscious annoyance, but just wondered what other people's take and view is? It's so open and obvious it's taking place I'm guessing it's permitted but a single individual influenced the experience and behaviour of maybe 6 fans around him and that doesn't seem totally fair? Do we have a right to ask and expect them to stop?

I mean its not a real issue I'm too worried about personally as I've put myself a bit on social media quite a bit. However I strongly agree with your point, its not fair on other people to enjoy the game as they please without feeling self conscious. One particular clip when Pedro missed against Villa I was in a vlog briefly losing my rag, as much as I found it all very funny, it's a bit strange to have someone pan round in those ultimately personal moments. Very right in Ronald faces forward, with no commentary, and tries not to focus on when we concede. I've stood next to Ronald before and I've barely noticed it.

 

[jcdenton08]

Interesting discussion with good points from all sides. A lot of it is visibility.

On the one hand, there is no “expectation of privacy” when attending a public football match, and filming is permitted. They aren’t breaking any rules, except arguably unwritten social ones. Ronald for example openly films people on the street, in the queues, on the concourse. I believe the only legal recourse would be harassment causing distress, which the rozzers wouldn’t give a shit about in this context. “Officer, he filmed he at a football match!”.

On the other hand, there are ways and means of getting your, ugh, “content” without pissing off everyone around you.

Ronald for example is in the very back row, is extremely polite and courteous to everyone, and has the respect of those around him. I stood next to him for a game and he was good as gold and a nice bloke.

Luke, on the other hand, is extremely irritating to be near. He’s in practically the front row in the East Stand, talks very loudly, constantly with his “commentary” and everything he does is extremely performative. The exaggerated expressions and over the top gurning just wind me up. But when he’s not filming he’s a normal young lad. He just puts on an extremely annoying “content creator” persona, because that’s what does well on YouTube. It’s all completely fake.

I once saw a full grown man giving Luke some serious stick outside the ground after a poor result, and felt a bit sorry for the lad - but he has to expect it given the attention he draws.

So for me, Ronald in the back row being polite and the same on and off camera yes, Luke being very annoying no.

 

[Professor Plum]

I mean its not a real issue I'm too worried about personally as I've put myself a bit on social media quite a bit. However I strongly agree with your point, its not fair on other people to enjoy the game as they please without feeling self conscious. One particular clip when Pedro missed against Villa I was in a vlog briefly losing my rag, as much as I found it all very funny, it's a bit strange to have someone pan round in those ultimately personal moments. Very right in Ronald faces forward, with no commentary, and tries not to focus on when we concede. I've stood next to Ronald before and I've barely noticed it.

Your presence on social media is fine if you mean podcasts. It’s my choice whether to listen (and I sometimes do). Not the case with vlogging, as you yourself have found in your example, even if you didn’t mind. Big difference!

 

[Bozza]

By way of coincidence, I've just watched a vlog of a couple in a theme park.

The chap rode a coaster as a single rider, meaning he was paired with someone he didn't know. He videoed himself all the way round. It must have been a very wide angle / 360 style camera as, at arm's length pointing back at himself, there was a lot in view...

...including the bloke next to him, who looked thoroughly uncomfortable/miserable at the whole thing.

It might be the vlogger asked the chap if it was OK with him filming, but, again, being a typical reserved Brit, I'd have said, "Of course, go for it", only to then hate every single second of the ride.

I guess the problem for Luke and similar is, that if they asked those around them for "permission" to film, any dissenting voice would mean he couldn't, and then his output comes to a shuddering halt.

 

[Deadly Danson]

Consistent use of camera phones in Bundesliga is considered bad form. You'll often get told to put it away and support the team. Vlogging in an ultras block is likely to end badly. As that attention seeking gimp from Bolton (name escapes?) found out a few years back. Told in no uncertain terms to stop filming - 'Das ist kein verdammter Zoo!'

I wish this happened here. I vaguely remember in the early days of the Amex a chant of "put your phones away, support the team" or words to that effect one evening match when everyone had their mobile lights on. That said, if there were no phones we wouldn't have had this:

So, swings and roundabouts!

 

[Deadly Danson]

By way of coincidence, I've just watched a vlog of a couple in a theme park.

The chap rode a coaster as a single rider, meaning he was paired with someone he didn't know. He videoed himself all the way round. It must have been a very wide angle / 360 style camera as, at arm's length pointing back at himself, there was a lot in view...

...including the bloke next to him, who looked thoroughly uncomfortable/miserable at the whole thing.

It might be the vlogger asked the chap if it was OK with him filming, but, again, being a typical reserved Brit, I'd have said, "Of course, go for it", only to then hate every single second of the ride.

I guess the problem for Luke and similar is, that if they asked those around them for "permission" to film, any dissenting voice would mean he couldn't, and then his output comes to a shuddering halt.

I've watched a few of those - I particularly find vloggers who talk loudly on "quiet" rides like Pirates of the Caribbean etc particularly odious - just STFU and let other people enjoy the atmosphere, music, ride etc. It may be their first ride on it.

Incidentally I was close to Luke at Arsenal for our 3-0 win and appeared on some of his video - it was not a pretty sight. Who knew celebrating like a lunatic could be so undignified!!

 

[Wozza]

By way of coincidence, I've just watched a vlog of a couple in a theme park.

The chap rode a coaster as a single rider, meaning he was paired with someone he didn't know. He videoed himself all the way round. It must have been a very wide angle / 360 style camera as, at arm's length pointing back at himself, there was a lot in view...

...including the bloke next to him....

I stopped at 'bloke'. Not the story I was hoping for tbh.

 

[jackalbion]

Your presence on social media is fine if you mean podcasts. It’s my choice whether to listen (and I sometimes do). Not the case with vlogging, as you yourself have found in your example, even if you didn’t mind. Big difference!

Agree, my point was more, that I put pictures of myself connected to stuff, I‘m not exactly afraid to be identified, and even I find it a bit uncomfortable sometimes, essentially being filmed without my consent.

 

[jcdenton08]

By way of coincidence, I've just watched a vlog of a couple in a theme park.

The chap rode a coaster as a single rider, meaning he was paired with someone he didn't know. He videoed himself all the way round. It must have been a very wide angle / 360 style camera as, at arm's length pointing back at himself, there was a lot in view...

...including the bloke next to him, who looked thoroughly uncomfortable/miserable at the whole thing.

It might be the vlogger asked the chap if it was OK with him filming, but, again, being a typical reserved Brit, I'd have said, "Of course, go for it", only to then hate every single second of the ride.

I guess the problem for Luke and similar is, that if they asked those around them for "permission" to film, any dissenting voice would mean he couldn't, and then his output comes to a shuddering halt.

I can almost guarantee that he didn’t ask permission.

This is a generalisation I realise, but one made with solid anecdotal experience; rollercoasters and theme parks generally are a very common “special interest” for people on the autism spectrum.

When I was younger I was a member of the RCCGB (rollercoaster club of Great Britain) and went to a a meet for the opening of a new ride at Thorpe Park. Let’s just say it didn’t require a doctorate in psychiatry to identity certain traits they possessed, to a man, and a lack of social awareness. And hygiene.

 

[mikeking]

Consistent use of camera phones in Bundesliga is considered bad form. You'll often get told to put it away and support the team. Vlogging in an ultras block is likely to end badly. As that attention seeking gimp from Bolton (name escapes?) found out a few years back. Told in no uncertain terms to stop filming - 'Das ist kein verdammter Zoo!'

This is a very good point. Having done my fair share of travels watching football on the continent, I actively try to sit as far away from the home “ultras” as possible and tuck myself away to know that I’m not going to annoy anyone by taking a few pictures/clips. I was invited to go into the ultras stand at FC København by one of their fans, but declined largely in part due to these reasons.

I think my view on vloggers in general is dependent on who is doing it. I get on well with Ronald, who has his way of quietly doing it to the point where you barely notice he’s doing it. Brilliant! However if I had someone acting over the top for a camera in front of me in an away end, or worse in front of me in the north most weeks, it would annoy the hell out of me.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I had a similar but definitely different experience on the tube yesterday.

Reasonably busy tube train and two 20 something year old women get on and are filming each other.

One is dressed as a slutty school girl and the other has a skirt that didn’t really cover her arse (certainly not from a sitting down position) and it didn’t appear that she had underwear on.

The slutty school girl starts swinging from the handrails in a way that I’m sure gave the camera an upskirt shot (I was just behind so saved from that treat).

They got off at the same stop as me and I’m heard them discussing uploading the videos and making money from.

God knows what video I’m in the background of!

You expect us to believe this?

I give it 2 weeks before the truth comes out and you have to issue an “I made an error of judgement” statement.

 

[dadams2k11]

You expect us to believe this?

I give it 2 weeks before the truth comes out and you have to issue an “I made an error of judgement” statement.

"I was videoing the different stops on my phone, and accidentally caught footage of a growler. It was an honest mistake"