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[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 175 42.3%
  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 216 52.2%
  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 20 4.8%

  • Total voters
    414
  • Poll closed .


Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
17,496
He can’t.

That is not in his nature. He has never been wrong. Never.

He’ll double down on his idiotic plans but get ready for an astonishing blame game campaign from MAGA and their tech/social media Oligarchs.

I suspect the blame will go onto Biden, China, the EU and the Trans community. That’s absolutely believable from the perspective of many of his MAGA followers in the states.

Where this narrative carries risk is around people’s personal wealth. Many who voted Trump did it for their own financial gain and were quite happy to throw environmental concerns and liberation concerns under the bus. When the dollar in their pocket can only purchase a noticeable reduction of what it could pre-Trump, how do these knuckleheads square the circle? How do they remain pro-Trump?
Another thought – as I often do in these situations – is how the US (especially the likes of Fox News, Newsmax and others of their ilk) would respond if it was the Democrats in charge causing the same level of damage? Given the fact they lost their shit about a man wearing a tan suit, I'd think some would probably be demanding life sentences or even the death penalty.

And I'm not even joking.
 




beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,430
He can’t.

That is not in his nature. He has never been wrong. Never.
his favoured tactic is to get something, then say that's what he intended all along and change direction.

i've been on some forums that love the whole MAGA thing and they are not happy at all. they may have agreed with the principle of DOGE, punishing China for taking manufactuing, they dont like the means or the outcomes. seeing people layed off instantly, threats to pensions, high tariffs are not what they expected. the Signal leak was a big alarm, leading to realisation Trump and co are not competent.
 


Mancgull

Well-known member
Nov 28, 2011
6,015
Astley, Manchester
Things off about 17 percent but if that doubles there will be a lot of pressure. Americans are far more invested than Brits
Very much so. Americans have to use the markets for all their pension funding. Plus a number of them will be heavily invested in the NASDAQ. A lot of his ‘supporters’ who thought he’d be good for the economy / their wealth will be very concerned bordering on angry at this state of affairs.
 


Milano

Well-known member
Aug 15, 2012
4,482
Sussex but not by the sea
Very much so. Americans have to use the markets for all their pension funding. Plus a number of them will be heavily invested in the NASDAQ. A lot of his ‘supporters’ who thought he’d be good for the economy / their wealth will be very concerned bordering on angry at this state of affairs.
Directly yes, indirectly no we are just as exposed, where do you think there British pension pots are invested? I'm not daring to look at my personal or company pensions, luckily I don't plan to retire for another 8-10 years.
 


Hugo Rune

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Feb 23, 2012
24,712
Brighton
his favoured tactic is to get something, then say that's what he intended all along and change direction.

i've been on some forums that love the whole MAGA thing and they are not happy at all. they may have agreed with the principle of DOGE, punishing China for taking manufactuing, they dont like the means or the outcomes. seeing people layed off instantly, threats to pensions, high tariffs are not what they expected. the Signal leak was a big alarm, leading to realisation Trump and co are not competent.
That’s very interesting.

Trump is asking them to take the medicine and give him the time and trust to sort everything out. Surely, there must be millions upon millions of MAGA advocates supporting this view even if some of them are now jumping ship?
 






Deportivo Seagull

I should coco
Jul 22, 2003
5,930
Mid Sussex
his favoured tactic is to get something, then say that's what he intended all along and change direction.

i've been on some forums that love the whole MAGA thing and they are not happy at all. they may have agreed with the principle of DOGE, punishing China for taking manufactuing, they dont like the means or the outcomes. seeing people layed off instantly, threats to pensions, high tariffs are not what they expected. the Signal leak was a big alarm, leading to realisation Trump and co are not competent.
The MAGA lot love the idea of ’Draining the Swamp’, it’s just that none of them realised that they are what Trump wants to drain from the swamp. They are the equivalent of the Expat’s that lived in Spain and voted for Brexit. Wankers the lot of them.
 






Brian Munich

teH lulZ
Jul 7, 2008
843
Markets getting hammered , FTSE off another 5%. The only winners are the grifters with the inside track shorting the markets.

This could get very ugly. Its no market for orphans or widows.

The problem is the US market has grown so much in recent years and its now a very big chunk of index funds.

Will Trump backdown?
Trump needs to be offered a way of doing a U-turn whilst framing it all as a win with the massive stock-market crash being Biden's fault.
 


raymondo

Well-known member
Apr 26, 2017
9,433
Wiltshire
Directly yes, indirectly no we are just as exposed, where do you think there British pension pots are invested? I'm not daring to look at my personal or company pensions, luckily I don't plan to retire for another 8-10 years.
Indeed. Jake Broe has even floated the possibility that ("safe") US Treasury bonds could tank in the next couple of weeks if China, India etc decide to sell theirs.
About 35% of US Treasury Bonds are held by non -US Investors IIRC.
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,430
market tea leaf reading says S&P goes to 4700-4800, a 7.5% drop from Friday close. may take couple of session to get there, and hopefully by then some news to allow a reversal.
 




raymondo

Well-known member
Apr 26, 2017
9,433
Wiltshire
Markets getting hammered , FTSE off another 5%. The only winners are the grifters with the inside track shorting the markets.

This could get very ugly. Its no market for orphans or widows.

The problem is the US market has grown so much in recent years and its now a very big chunk of index funds.

Will Trump backdown?
"It's a beautiful thing...60 countries phoned me for a deal during my 3 days of golf this weekend. So beautiful, my narcisus are blooming 👍".
 








nicko31

Well-known member
Jan 7, 2010
19,082
Gods country fortnightly
market tea leaf reading says S&P goes to 4700-4800, a 7.5% drop from Friday close. may take couple of session to get there, and hopefully by then some news to allow a reversal.
When Trump won in 2016 the S&P was 2000, this is one of the longest bull runs in US history.

Even before the tariffs it was looking like one of the most expensive markets in a century.

Trump can blame whoever he likes, the market won't care. Its notable Warren Buffet sold out 300B a few month back
 




beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,430
Markets require a level of trust to function. Trump has dump that do I can see a long term move away from US stocks which will add to the misery for US based companies.
it's in the investment, forward looking to what to do in 6, 12, 24 months. one thing the finance people are saying is the trust is already gone, they wont be investing into US this year incase of further changes, reversals etc.
 


SouthSaxon

Stand or fall
NSC Patron
Jan 25, 2025
863
Scott Bessant even said something like..."we're crashing the market now because , if we don't, it'll crash by itself anyway due to our debt" 🤦🏼‍♂️ blimey
I saw that, he was trying desperately to find an answer that made sense, and failed dismally.
 




A1X

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Sep 1, 2017
22,485
Deepest, darkest Sussex
Bloomberg confirms $9.5 TRILLION wiped off global markets since Trump's announcement, and that's almost certain to pass $10tn when the US markets open later today.

Brace, brace!
 


Deportivo Seagull

I should coco
Jul 22, 2003
5,930
Mid Sussex
it's in the investment, forward looking to what to do in 6, 12, 24 months. one thing the finance people are saying is the trust is already gone, they wont be investing into US this year incase of further changes, reversals etc.
Not that knowledgeable on this but would this drive US investors to invest abroad rather than US markets?
 


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