[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

[clapham_gull]

 

[jcdenton08]

“Where’s the bloke, love?”

Compulsory

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

They've been using the 4D chess line for years. I imagine Trump would struggle greatly with Snakes and Ladders

I heard he was foxed by rock, paper, rock.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Still can’t see him doing the full term.

1) The next shooter won’t miss
or
2) The Vance cabal will have him sectioned under the US mental health act.

I'd like him to get the gush.
Leaving us as big as 2 or 3 squirrels.
Does he have the brains to go soft cock? No.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Along with two big US banking figures who’ve come out against the illiterate Trump madness, one a supporter who owns a private equity fund.

This all goes against the wild guess doing the rounds in LBC/R5 phone ins that …. all “super wealthy Americans in effect sold all their equities a few weeks ago and are now buying at basement prices. Orchestrated behind closed doors with Trump, that’s the real reason for the tariffs war”.

I don’t see this. The markets in Dec/Jan/Feb would’ve soon cottoned on to that. On this occasion the rich and modest investors, most people of any age had got hooked on US equities growth, are both seeing big losses.

My original theory regarding his drive to second term:
Pardon himself,
then have a bit of a laugh, f***ing about with executive orders.
Trump buys a theme park (America)
Except he inherited it. Some of it. Thinks it's all of it.
It is pure Cartman.

 

[Pevenseagull]

 

[Curious Orange]

The thing I find hard to fathom is that the underlying principle of re-establishing the U.S. manufacturing base is not a bad idea. I just don't understand how that can be achieved by destroying the economy?

 

[Pevenseagull]

The thing I find hard to fathom is that the underlying principle of re-establishing the U.S. manufacturing base is not a bad idea. I just don't understand how that can be achieved by destroying the economy?

Nobody is going to build a shiny new, up to date manufacturing facility in a country where they have no idea what the f*** is going on.

And why would they? You can get the stuff made cheaper elsewhere. A 50% tariff on stuff that's half the price it would cost you to make it is still a 25% saving on making it.

It's just money in the coffers to distribute amongst the super rich.

The USA has closed down loads of state supported organisations and imposed enormous taxes on their citizens. Akin to introducing a new taxation at our level of VAT on all imported goods

If the state is running at a lower cost and there is significantly more money collected by the government*. Where will that go?

I'm guessing it ain't going on a healthcare system.

Would anyone spend 5years building industrial level manufacturing under those circumstances even if they assumed that such a regime would be re-elected?


It's just a cash grab by a bunch of spivs who don't give a f*** about anyone.

*Last edit of several .... Unless the USA is totally f***ed and taxation from income and spending falls dramatically and they enter a significant recession.... Which is entirely possible....but it won't hurt the wealthiest.



There is as much money to be made in a falling market as a rising one if you are wealthy and venal enough.

And make no mistake, they are making it.

 

[raymondo]

Mentioned over the radio today that his supporters consider he’s playing 4D chess, masterfully outsmarting Chaina, the EU, India etc, several steps ahead of them at any one time.

He's outsmarted the whole world. America stands alone.... oh, wait

 

[raymondo]

Nice one! Da doo Ron Ron Ron, da doo Ron Ron

 

[Pevenseagull]

He's outsmarted the whole world. America stands alone.... oh, wait

A very ex friend from Eastbourne has been sending me messages telling me that I am part of the deep state, trying to undermine Trump and God's will because my Facebook picture had me in a Sandtex replica kit (the really good one) rather than American Express (which I don't have because I'm 54 years old). Unfortunately I replied and told him that I used to work for American Express and now he is convinced that I left to work for George Soros.


He thinks Trump is doing God's work and that Musk is the world's greatest scientist.

 

[jcdenton08]

A very ex friend from Eastbourne has been sending me messages telling me that I am part of the deep state, trying to undermine Trump and God's will because my Facebook picture had me in a Sandtex replica kit (the really good one) rather than American Express (which I don't have because I'm 54 years old). Unfortunately I replied and told him that I used to work for American Express and now he is convinced that I left to work for George Soros.


He thinks Trump is doing God's work and that Musk is the world's greatest scientist.

Unfortunately it sounds like your friend may have undiagnosed(?) mental illness(es), such as schizophrenia

 

[Pevenseagull]

Unfortunately it sounds like your friend may have undiagnosed(?) mental illness(es), such as schizophrenia

Yep

Was pleased to hear that his twin children have gone to university in Scotland, where their mother now lives.

 

[Han Solo]

The thing I find hard to fathom is that the underlying principle of re-establishing the U.S. manufacturing base is not a bad idea. I just don't understand how that can be achieved by destroying the economy?

"Destruction leads to a very rough road, but it also breeds creation", as they say.

People tolerate deeper and more radical changes when under pressure. Smashing the economy every now and then leads to more, faster societal movement. "Simple" entropy.

As a conspiracy theorist it looks like a sensible move. From that perspective we're entering the Nihilist era, a bloody, shitfest time until people are on their knees begging for change... which they'll get. The word "freedom" as humans primary keyword will finally have the negative value it secretly already has to most, and the word "security" will take its place.

Looking from the more mainstream "societies are ran by well-willing politicians who may or may not be dumb, and the people who vote for them, who also may or may not be dumb" angle... its hard to see the point.

What is re-establishing U.S. manufacturing going to do to America? How is it going to help? It certainly won't create more jobs

Under the radar, there's currently a very rapidly growing unemployment crisis in China because AI and robotics means you need one guy working in a factory where you previously needed hundreds. Unless the US is planning to build obsolete factories on outdated technology, it won't bring them more jobs. Most likely jobs will be lost instead: if they invest heavily in "re-industrialisation" a lot of it will be spent on modernising their current industry... also known as getting ridy of those annoying workers.

I have a difficult time seeing how fully automatic factories producing goods for people, who can't afford it because they have no job at the factory, would eventually turn things around and make everyone rich and happy a.k.a. "great again". But I'm sure neo-liberals and conservatives will show me some obsolete mythological economic model where the world will return to the 20th century eventually.

 

[Bakero]

Of course, it barely dents their wealth. But today I imagined them all angry at Trump but aware that they were the ones that did this. It was their technology that enabled these lunatics and their money which supported Trump’s campaign. And now they are reaping the benefits of their own stupidity. It was an enjoyable thought, while it lasted.

Some of the billionaires will no doubt be aghast at the instability he's causing. However, Peter Thiel, and to a slightly lesser extent Musk, will welcome the tearing down of the established order. Both of them are thinking long term so won't be bothered by a market crashes this week. Especially, since Thiel sold a large chunk of his Palantir and other stock a few years ago.

 

[fly high]

Nice one! Da doo Ron Ron Ron, da doo Ron Ron

If true this really wouldn't surprise me.

 

[SouthSaxon]

Some of the billionaires will no doubt be aghast at the instability he's causing. However, Peter Thiel, and to a slightly lesser extent Musk, will welcome the tearing down of the established order. Both of them are thinking long term so won't be bothered by a market crashes this week. Especially, since Thiel sold a large chunk of his Palantir and other stock a few years ago.

It’s been widely reported that Musk has asked Trump to pause the tariffs. He’s had a public spat with Navarro about this. He participated in a White House sales event for his cars. These are not the actions of someone who is happy to see his businesses tanking and what remained of his reputation in tatters.

 

[ROSM]

As has been said before, the paypal mafia were all trained and assessed using a book that talked about destruction of the known world and how society would reform afterwards. The winners were those who evolved quickest like cockroaches

In economic terms, this is what is being tried now

 

[Triggaaar]

In years to come when they're asked about their ordeal, will they recount their time with Hamas or Trump?

 

[sparkie]

The fall of America, right in front of us.

All at the design of Putin, destroying them from within.

And there's no sign of Kasnov being removed.