wardy wonder land
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well, where is our favorite turk / greek ?
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[Politics] where is the St.George's day thread bounce ? (aka shakespear day / racist pile on)
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GT49er
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Fvck the racists, it's not their day.
Happy St. George's Day to everyone. England forever!
Happy St. George's Day to everyone. England forever!
Nobby Cybergoat
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I'm England till I die ...... I just happen to also have a progressive set of values
- Aug 7, 2003
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Just heard on LBC that the C of E has postponed it until the 28th for some religious reason to do with Easter
What a farce. Just further demonstrates how completely out of touch the C of E has become.
Hopefully off later today to a couple of beautiful gardens, set in this stunning English countryside of ours. That’ll be my celebration, evoking the sumptuous sounds of Ralph Vaughan Williams.
nickbrighton
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- Feb 19, 2016
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unfortunately the "media" have brainwashed a load of idiots into thinking that anyone with even an iota of patriotism must be a right wing racist homophobic bigot, and that St Georges flag is akin to the swastika , unless its world cup or Euros in which case you have to display one.
The Welsh, Irish, and Scots are allowed and positively encouraged to be patriotic and have national days, but god forbid that the English do.
Yes there are some fuckwits who use the St Georges flag as a cover for being well ,racist bigoted fuckwits, but IMO the vast majority of English people-regardless of ethnicity, sexuality, or gender would actually welcome being allowed a national day, and maybe even a fraction of the "St Paddy's Day" hype without being called all the names under the sun.
Virtually every country in the world is allowed to celebrate their national days, regardless of centuries old wrong doings (and I dont pretend the English are any better than most other countries with regard to past atrocities) .
Its a bit like the "Christmas is banned for fear of offending non christians" bs, Its made up media nonsense designed to stir up the very hatred it purports to want to stop, and non Christians really dont want Christmas banned
The Welsh, Irish, and Scots are allowed and positively encouraged to be patriotic and have national days, but god forbid that the English do.
Yes there are some fuckwits who use the St Georges flag as a cover for being well ,racist bigoted fuckwits, but IMO the vast majority of English people-regardless of ethnicity, sexuality, or gender would actually welcome being allowed a national day, and maybe even a fraction of the "St Paddy's Day" hype without being called all the names under the sun.
Virtually every country in the world is allowed to celebrate their national days, regardless of centuries old wrong doings (and I dont pretend the English are any better than most other countries with regard to past atrocities) .
Its a bit like the "Christmas is banned for fear of offending non christians" bs, Its made up media nonsense designed to stir up the very hatred it purports to want to stop, and non Christians really dont want Christmas banned
GT49er
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Bugger that - I'm sticking with today! Apparently they moved it six years ago too - missed that at the time.
GT49er
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They did it six years ago as well.
Pah, it’s lost all meaning (I don’t recall it having any in the first place) St Andrews day (30th Nov) also passes equally unnoticed in my house, I sometimes wear a cap to work with the Scotland football team badge on it but no one ever notices.
Don’t get me started on that St Patrick’s Day bollocks
Don’t get me started on that St Patrick’s Day bollocks
Is it PotG?
Thrifty non-licker
These days….
Stato
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As I point out every year, the concentration on celebration of saints days is generally a Catholic trope. After a bit of swapping back and forth during Tudor and Stuart times, the Glorious Revolution of 1688 hitched England's wagon firmly to the Church of England's Protestantism. Only 8% of England's population is Catholic, compared with 40% of Northern Ireland and 69% of the Republic. Those who complain about England not making a huge fuss of it's patron saints day are actually misunderstanding the character of the country. The Church of England does not canonise. St George's Day is a festival, but not a principal holy day. For a protestant country, it's no big deal.
There also seems to be a lack of understanding that not making a fuss is a particularly English approach and the reasons for this. Cecil Rhodes' oft repeated quotation was actually "You are an Englishman, and have subsequently drawn the greatest prize in the lottery of life." Although this level of imperial arrogance is no longer spoken, we have to admit that there remains in all of the English a tacit undercurrent of belief in this maxim. This is generally evident whenever we have to lower ourselves to deal with those from the less fortunate countries (i.e. everyone else in the world). We try not to because we know its not the thing to do, but deep down our national character is based on an unspoken agreement that we're just better than everyone else.
The Americans have a need to shout their patriotism loudly, because it's a flimsy thing undercut by a lack of real confidence in the face of countries with real history. The Irish, the Welsh and the Scots, like a third of the globe feel that they have to celebrate their national identities as a response to periods of history when those have been subjugated. The English don't. It was generally us that were doing the subjugating.
The English character also has an underlying belief in politeness. Crowing about having something that others don't have is generally frowned upon as crass behaviour. Therefore, going out and waving a flag that loudly declaims 'We're English!' is kind of rubbing the noses of those who aren't as fortunate. Every year St George's Day rolls around and journalists write think pieces about why the English don't define themselves without realising that not defining ourselves is the most English thing to do. Englishness is the norm, the correct way to go about things. It doesn't need championing because it's not, like every other nationality, an aberration. It's probably best summed up by Jimmy Carr's joke 'I don't have an accent. This is just how things sound when they are pronounced correctly.' We try to fight it. We try to hide it, but if we're totally honest, that's just the way we view our relationship with the rest of the world: Being English doesn't need celebrating because it's just the right way to go about things.
France is probably the only other country that is arrogant enough to take this view of the rest of the world. They are more of a catholic country and do celebrate their patron saint on a national holiday on 30 May. However, their confidence in being top dog must be slightly shaken by the end that was met by this patron saint, when the English subsidized her heresy trial and the flames rose to her Roman nose and her hearing aid started to melt.
(All written with tongue firmly in cheek, but there's some truth in it and it offers some explanation of why the rest of the World hates us).
There also seems to be a lack of understanding that not making a fuss is a particularly English approach and the reasons for this. Cecil Rhodes' oft repeated quotation was actually "You are an Englishman, and have subsequently drawn the greatest prize in the lottery of life." Although this level of imperial arrogance is no longer spoken, we have to admit that there remains in all of the English a tacit undercurrent of belief in this maxim. This is generally evident whenever we have to lower ourselves to deal with those from the less fortunate countries (i.e. everyone else in the world). We try not to because we know its not the thing to do, but deep down our national character is based on an unspoken agreement that we're just better than everyone else.
The Americans have a need to shout their patriotism loudly, because it's a flimsy thing undercut by a lack of real confidence in the face of countries with real history. The Irish, the Welsh and the Scots, like a third of the globe feel that they have to celebrate their national identities as a response to periods of history when those have been subjugated. The English don't. It was generally us that were doing the subjugating.
The English character also has an underlying belief in politeness. Crowing about having something that others don't have is generally frowned upon as crass behaviour. Therefore, going out and waving a flag that loudly declaims 'We're English!' is kind of rubbing the noses of those who aren't as fortunate. Every year St George's Day rolls around and journalists write think pieces about why the English don't define themselves without realising that not defining ourselves is the most English thing to do. Englishness is the norm, the correct way to go about things. It doesn't need championing because it's not, like every other nationality, an aberration. It's probably best summed up by Jimmy Carr's joke 'I don't have an accent. This is just how things sound when they are pronounced correctly.' We try to fight it. We try to hide it, but if we're totally honest, that's just the way we view our relationship with the rest of the world: Being English doesn't need celebrating because it's just the right way to go about things.
France is probably the only other country that is arrogant enough to take this view of the rest of the world. They are more of a catholic country and do celebrate their patron saint on a national holiday on 30 May. However, their confidence in being top dog must be slightly shaken by the end that was met by this patron saint, when the English subsidized her heresy trial and the flames rose to her Roman nose and her hearing aid started to melt.
(All written with tongue firmly in cheek, but there's some truth in it and it offers some explanation of why the rest of the World hates us).
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Molango's visa
Molango's visa
I appropriated the flag foe Euro 96 and haven't looked back.
Woke lefty in flag shag shock horror probe.
Woke lefty in flag shag shock horror probe.
Molango's visa
Molango's visa
Isn't it against the law to say your English, these days?
PascalGroß Tips
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- Jan 29, 2024
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Where’s the TL;DR bitAs I point out every year, the concentration on celebration of saints days is generally a Catholic trope. After a bit of swapping back and forth during Tudor and Stuart times, the Glorious Revolution of 1688 hitched England's wagon firmly to the Church of England's Protestantism. Only 8% of England's population is Catholic, compared with 40% of Northern Ireland and 69% of the Republic. Those who complain about England not making a huge fuss of it's patron saints day are actually misunderstanding the character of the country. The Church of England does not canonise. St George's Day is a festival, but not a principal holy day. For a protestant country, it's no big deal.
There also seems to be a lack of understanding that not making a fuss is a particularly English approach and the reasons for this. Cecil Rhodes' oft repeated quotation was actually "You are an Englishman, and have subsequently drawn the greatest prize in the lottery of life." Although this level of imperial arrogance is no longer spoken, we have to admit that there remains in all of the English a tacit undercurrent of belief in this maxim. This is generally evident whenever we have to lower ourselves to deal with those from the less fortunate countries (i.e. everyone else in the world). We try not to because we know its not the thing to do, but deep down our national character is based on an unspoken agreement that we're just better than everyone else.
The Americans have a need to shout their patriotism loudly, because it's a flimsy thing undercut by a lack of real confidence in the face of countries with real history. The Irish, the Welsh and the Scots, like a third of the globe feel that they have to celebrate their national identities as a response to periods of history when those have been subjugated. The English don't. It was generally us that were doing the subjugating.
The English character also has an underlying belief in politeness. Crowing about having something that others don't have is generally frowned upon as crass behaviour. Therefore, going out and waving a flag that loudly declaims 'We're English!' is kind of rubbing the noses of those who aren't as fortunate. Every year St George's Day rolls around and journalists write think pieces about why the English don't define themselves without realising that not defining ourselves is the most English thing to do. Englishness is the norm, the correct way to go about things. It doesn't need championing because it's not, like every other nationality, an aberration. It's probably best summed up by Jimmy Carr's joke 'I don't have an accent. This is just how things sound when they are pronounced correctly.' We try to fight it. We try to hide it, but if we're totally honest, that's just the way we view our relationship with the rest of the world: Being English doesn't need celebrating because it's just the right way to go about things.
(All written with tongue firmly in cheek, but there's some truth in it and it offers some explanation of why the rest of the World hates us).
- Apr 5, 2014
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It doesn't mean anything to me, although I am quietly content with my Englishness. Perhaps I might find something to tut about today in recognition.
Sussex Day however... well, that's the day I officially became a member of my Brighton family in 1973. So it has many meanings to me and I would join anyone for a game of Stoolball.
Really care little for a fictional dragon slaying Turk. Should it be St Edmunds Day or Shakespeare Day ? I'm all for the bard.
Sussex Day however... well, that's the day I officially became a member of my Brighton family in 1973. So it has many meanings to me and I would join anyone for a game of Stoolball.
Really care little for a fictional dragon slaying Turk. Should it be St Edmunds Day or Shakespeare Day ? I'm all for the bard.
Stato
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- Dec 21, 2011
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I remember Stewart Lee saying that Richard Herring used to tell him how great Twitter was and he responded that there was nothing he wanted to say in less than 140 characters.Where’s the TL;DR bit