[Politics] Trump under fire.

Chicken Run said:

When are you on your ‘Beach Holiday’ then?

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WATFORD zero said:

How nice of you to ask. You have great timing, because I was actually in a 'beach' bar having a nice cold beer when I wrote that post (we're an hour ahead).

I've just got back from dinner in town and am now sitting on the veranda of the villa with a large brandy looking down at the 'beach'. There's obviously something I'm missing here, but why do we have to use quotes every time we use the term 'beach' ? Oh well

Anyway, can't stop, I've got books to read, a pool to swim around, 'beaches' to lie on and a whole new load of restaurants and bars. And it's hot, very hot

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Chicken Run said:

Well make sure you don’t spend too much time on the internet when you’re meant to be on holiday otherwise you’ll owe the wife another cheap steak dinner at ‘Miller & Carter’, toodles

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One Love said:

“Why do some British people not like Donald Trump?” Nate White, an articulate and witty writer from England wrote the following response:

A few things spring to mind. Trump lacks certain qualities which the British traditionally esteem. For instance, he has no class, no charm, no coolness, no credibility, no compassion, no wit, no warmth, no wisdom, no subtlety, no sensitivity, no self-awareness, no humility, no honour and no grace – all qualities, funnily enough, with which his predecessor Mr. Obama was generously blessed. So for us, the stark contrast does rather throw Trump’s limitations into embarrassingly sharp relief.

Plus, we like a laugh. And while Trump may be laughable, he has never once said anything wry, witty or even faintly amusing – not once, ever. I don’t say that rhetorically, I mean it quite literally: not once, not ever. And that fact is particularly disturbing to the British sensibility – for us, to lack humour is almost inhuman. But with Trump, it’s a fact. He doesn’t even seem to understand what a joke is – his idea of a joke is a crass comment, an illiterate insult, a casual act of cruelty.

Trump is a troll. And like all trolls, he is never funny and he never laughs; he only crows or jeers. And scarily, he doesn’t just talk in crude, witless insults – he actually thinks in them. His mind is a simple bot-like algorithm of petty prejudices and knee-jerk nastiness.

There is never any under-layer of irony, complexity, nuance or depth. It’s all surface. Some Americans might see this as refreshingly upfront. Well, we don’t. We see it as having no inner world, no soul. And in Britain we traditionally side with David, not Goliath. All our heroes are plucky underdogs: Robin Hood, Dick Whittington, Oliver Twist. Trump is neither plucky, nor an underdog. He is the exact opposite of that. He’s not even a spoiled rich-boy, or a greedy fat-cat. He’s more a fat white slug. A Jabba the Hutt of privilege.

And worse, he is that most unforgivable of all things to the British: a bully. That is, except when he is among bullies; then he suddenly transforms into a snivelling sidekick instead. There are unspoken rules to this stuff – the Queensberry rules of basic decency – and he breaks them all. He punches downwards – which a gentleman should, would, could never do – and every blow he aims is below the belt. He particularly likes to kick the vulnerable or voiceless – and he kicks them when they are down.

So the fact that a significant minority – perhaps a third – of Americans look at what he does, listen to what he says, and then think ‘Yeah, he seems like my kind of guy’ is a matter of some confusion and no little distress to British people, given that:
• Americans are supposed to be nicer than us, and mostly are.
• You don’t need a particularly keen eye for detail to spot a few flaws in the man.

This last point is what especially confuses and dismays British people, and many other people too; his faults seem pretty bloody hard to miss. After all, it’s impossible to read a single tweet, or hear him speak a sentence or two, without staring deep into the abyss. He turns being artless into an art form; he is a Picasso of pettiness; a Shakespeare of shit. His faults are fractal: even his flaws have flaws, and so on ad infinitum. God knows there have always been stupid people in the world, and plenty of nasty people too. But rarely has stupidity been so nasty, or nastiness so stupid. He makes Nixon look trustworthy and George W look smart. In fact, if Frankenstein decided to make a monster assembled entirely from human flaws – he would make a Trump.

And a remorseful Doctor Frankenstein would clutch out big clumpfuls of hair and scream in anguish: ‘My God… what… have… I… created?' If being a twat was a TV show, Trump would be the boxed set.

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Guy Fawkes said:

What on earth are you on about?

All i have done is link to a video where MSM has a video (which is from the Telegraph) showing videos taken at the rally where this took place sync'd up to mainly show events on the stage, as well as various views / events elsewhere in the area at the same time (taken presumably from videos posted by those who were there and filming during the event)

What does that have to do with Trump spying for Russia or photo's from 2 years ago? Did you quote the wrong person?

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dsr-burnley said:

I know Trump is so loathed by many on here that people are willing to believe almost anything about him, but Russian spy? I think even for the most blinkered anti-Trumper, that's a stretch.

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SteveU said:

It would be interesting to actually hear a balanced view on why people hate him so much.

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Klaas said:

Maybe I'm missing something but you seem to be implying that people who dislike Trump are being in some way irrational? I'm amazed you can use NSC and not have read any balanced reason for hating Trump.
Here's 3 reasons, right off the top of my head.
1. His rejection of the result of the 2020 election. Based on no evidence whatsoever. Incredibly dangerous, leading to point..
2. His incitement of a riot.
3. He is a sex case. In his own words, he molests women.

That's just the tip of the ice berg.

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Bozza said:

This diagram might help those who weren't sure how he was hit where he was.

The gunman was essentially side-on to the podium.

The rally attendees who were hit were, presumably, in the right-hand seating area and not in sight of the camera that was focused on Trump.

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Secret Service director resigns amid criticism of Trump security handling​

The Secret Service director, Kimberly Cheatle, has resigned, the Associated Press reports, following a bipartisan furor over whether her agency had adequately protected Donald Trump in the lead-up to the assassination attempt against him.

Cheatle stepped down one day after making a disastrous appearance before the House oversight committee, where lawmakers from both parties signaled frustration with her inability to answer many questions about the shooting that wounded Trump, killed an attender at his rally in Butler, Pennsylvania and wounded two others.

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Donald Trump may not have been hit by bullet, FBI director says

FBI director Christopher Wray testified that his understanding was that Trump might have been hit by shrapnel rather than a bullet on July 13.

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Fungus said:

Where would “shrapnel” come from?

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