Another possibility - the claim you responded to isn’t true.
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Curious Orange
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I think that that fear has rather been allowed to get ahead of the reality in some respects, but it is relevant to both groups as I outlined in post #490, and I find it somewhat disingenuous, or at least lacking in self awareness, for a trans-woman who hasn't had bottom surgery to claim access to female spaces whilst simultaneously claiming to be afraid to go into the male ones because there might be males in there!
The legal clarification should now remove that fear for people with the protected characteristic of female, as there are now no circumstances where it should happen that any male is in a female designated space. This means that we have protection in place for 50% of the population, which also means we have space to be able to concentrate on addressing the specific needs of those with the protected characteristic of gender reassignment.
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I agree.
chip
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I think these TERFs are imiginary enemies, it just a derogatory slur for women advocating for women's rights and safety. Has anyone ever met a TERF?
No they are not. You are very wrong.
They are very small in number and tend to get banned from Pride marches but the LGB Alliance is essentially advocating that gender dysphoria does not exist and that lesbians are being converted into trans-women because of fashion, religion, profound homophobia and mostly, a patriarchal society.
Gay rights group was set up ‘to promote transphobic activity’, court told
Claim comes in appeal by trans rights charity against decision to give LGB Alliance charitable status
www.theguardian.com
chip
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And in what way does that make them TERFs?No they are not. You are very wrong.
They are very small in number and tend to get banned from Pride marches but the LGB Alliance is essentially advocating that gender dysphoria does not exist and that lesbians are being converted into trans-women because of fashion, religion, profound homophobia and mostly, a patriarchal society.
Gay rights group was set up ‘to promote transphobic activity’, court told
Claim comes in appeal by trans rights charity against decision to give LGB Alliance charitable status
Your link refers to the Mermaids vs LGB alliance, which they lost. “We are conscious that this case was regarded by some as being about the rights of gender-diverse people or about the rights of gay, lesbian and bisexual people, but it is not; the focus of this decision is upon a small part of the Charities Act 2011,” the judges wrote. https://www.theguardian.com/society...up-to-promote-transphobic-activity-court-told
Mermaids don't seem to have a very sound ethical basis either.
Barryseagulls
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The fairly obvious & what many people would say common sense decision has been made by the court - yet people are still debating & arguing like the decision has not been made. It has & people need to accept it and move on.
I do feel the level of entitlement nowadays is off the scale.
I do feel the level of entitlement nowadays is off the scale.
n1 gull
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NonsenseNo they are not. You are very wrong.
They are very small in number and tend to get banned from Pride marches but the LGB Alliance is essentially advocating that gender dysphoria does not exist and that lesbians are being converted into trans-women because of fashion, religion, profound homophobia and mostly, a patriarchal society.
Gay rights group was set up ‘to promote transphobic activity’, court told
Claim comes in appeal by trans rights charity against decision to give LGB Alliance charitable status
Do you know what TERF stands for?
Which bit?
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The Clamp
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Imagine being so entitled that you attempt to live your life in a way that makes you happy.
Absolutely taking the f***ing piss.
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“And if you disagree with us for reasons and views which you personally find valid, we’ll decapitate you”.
n1 gull
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Yeh it's taking the piss if it impacts other people life's who are also just trying to live a happy life
The Clamp
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Don’t worry. It doesn’t often. Very rarely. Very rarely indeed.
Some of the worst people in the history of mankind have attempted to live their lives in a way that makes them happy.
Slight problem is their behaviour rather impacted on others.
chip
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Yes, it is a term used by one group of people about another group of people with whom they have a philosophical difference. I don't know which, if any, position is correct, but I don't like the inherent slur in the term.
I did a bit of reading and the following is from: https://journal.nds.ox.ac.uk/index.php/JNDS/article/download/176/79
TERFs are members of a branch of feminism whose ideological beliefs hinge on the idea that sex is biological and fixed, rejecting the idea of socially constructed gender. In essence, TERFs don’t recognise transgender women as women because they believe that a person’s sex is based purely on their biology and is therefore fixed.
Not sure where the court ruling leaves this. I also dislike the term because it has been used effectively to silence people with alternative views. This Law PhD thesis makes that case: https://researchportal.port.ac.uk/en/studentTheses/terfbigottransphobe-we-found-the-witch-burn-her
#TERF/Bigot/Transphobe – We found the witch, burn her!: a contextual constructionist account of the silencing of feminist discourse on the proposed changes to the Gender Recognition Act 2004, and the policy capture of transgender ideology, focusing on the potential impacts and consequences for female-only spaces for victims of male violence
Dillon, S. (Author). 2021
I don't think that this area ever gets discussed rationally in public discourse and terms like TERF don't help.
The Clamp
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Well, we can get into a debate as to whether what they were looking for was happiness or something else entirely, another time.
I think most people knew the spirit of what I meant.
My point was, I don’t think people who identify as women, wanting to be treated as women are acting in an entitled manner.
How this affects other people and how that should be mitigated, is equally, if not more important. But wanting to be happy, or at least not tormented is not IMO, entitled behaviour.
All things being equal I really don’t think many people want transpeople to be unhappy, or would begrudge them happiness.
But of course it’s become a lot more complicated than that.
The Clamp
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Agreed
