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[Albion] Brentford vs Brighton & Hove Albion *** Official Match Thread ***









How exactly is he a journeyman?
Because you were bigging him up and all you could come up with was the Dutch cup? Champions League? We’ve sent players out on loan this season who played in the Champions League this season because they are not ready for us yet. Feyenoord? Can we stop pretending Dutch football is all Johan Cruyff, it’s actually bit us on the arse countless times with dud transfers. He was signed on big money to be our marquee central midfielder but has been since overtaken by a 22-year-old, two 21-year-olds and a recent teenager. It’s all incredibly average
 


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Because you were bigging him up and all you could come up with was the Dutch cup? Champions League? We’ve sent players out on loan this season who played in the Champions League this season because they are not ready for us yet. Feyenoord? Can we stop pretending Dutch football is all Johan Cruyff, it’s actually bit us on the arse countless times with dud transfers. He was signed on big money to be our marquee central midfielder but has been since overtaken by a 22-year-old, two 21-year-olds and a recent teenager. It’s all incredibly average
How is he a journeyman? Just admit you used the wrong word. It’s fine.
 


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  1. 'I think we controlled the game'published at 18:59
    18:59​

    Fabian Hurzeler
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    Brighton boss Fabian Hurzeler, speaking to Premier League Productions: "I think we controlled the game. Played a good first half then we make too many mistakes. It goes back to 3-1 out of nowhere and we receive a red card. We show character and nearly make 3-3 but in the end not good enough."
    On Jan Paul van Hecke: "Not a great feeling so we just wish him all the best and hopefully he's back on the pitch soon."
    On the second half: "That was a bad start. We needed five or ten minutes to adapt and that can't happen."
    On the defeat: "I have to analyse it then we will find solutions for it.
    "When you saw the reaction in the first half that was good. It's not about confidence. When you win everything is easy. But in these moments we have to stick together and trust the process.
    On fan criticism: "Yeah, in the end we have to make the decisions that brings us the success. I tried to put some fast players like Kaoru Mitoma and Solly March, more midfielders on the pitch to control the game. In the end we didn't get the credit for the courage we showed.
    "In the end it doesn't help when you lose a man but he said sorry to the team and he will learn from this."
It goes to 3-1 out of nowhere. Did he really say that lol
 






How is he a journeyman? Just admit you used the wrong word. It’s fine.
No you don’t get to define my opinions of players, that’s what I think he is - we’ll see if I’m right in years to come
 


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No you don’t get to define my opinions of players, that’s what I think he is - we’ll see if I’m right in years to come
:facepalm:

Okay, I think he’s a billabong flibbertigibbet. It’s a completely irrelevant combination of words which make no sense in context, but it’s my opinion and you can’t say I’m wrong. :lol:

I wasn’t even the person you were originally replying to, that was @Weststander and in fact I haven’t seen much from Wieffer, though he was okay today :lol:

This is a surreal conversation.
 




:facepalm:

Okay, I think he’s a billabong flibbertigibbet. It’s a completely irrelevant combination of words which make no sense in context, but it’s my opinion and you can’t say I’m wrong. :lol:

I wasn’t even the person you were originally replying to, that was @Weststander and in fact I haven’t seen much from Wieffer, though he was okay today :lol:

This is a surreal conversation.
Not really, we are disagreeing on a player. Which is the most basic conversation you can have on a football messageboard. You (I think) believe he’s some kind of success story? Hard to say really because you don’t commit to making any kind of overall assessment, on the other hand, I think he’s been a disappointing signing who’s added very little to the squad. I’m not even sure a loving gaze at the Dutch Cup counts as surreal to be fair
 


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Not really, we are disagreeing on a player. Which is the most basic conversation you can have on a football messageboard. You (I think) believe he’s some kind of success story? Hard to say really because don’t commit to making any kind of overall assessment, on the other hand, I think he’s been a disappointing signing who’s added very little to the squad. I’m not even sure a loving gaze at the Dutch Cup counts as surreal to be fair
I have no idea why you think this. The only thing I’ve said about him is that he was one of our better players today, along with Welbeck. I don’t know if you’re getting my posts confused with someone else or something.

The Dutch cup was used an example of why he isn’t a “journeyman”, the word you used in response to someone else, which is where I joined the conversation.

My post was intended to convey that you misused the word, because a journeyman in football has a large number of clubs, staying a short time, often all over the globe/country depending on their level. Wieffer, factually and regardless of my opinion of his ability, went from a small club as a youth, to a bigger one Exelsior, to a bigger one Feyenoord (where he won a trophy and played in the CL and was a runner up), to a bigger league in the PL with us.

If in ten years, he has had stints in Finland, Qatar, back in the Eerste division in the Netherlands, and fourteen other clubs then fair enough, you’d be right retrospectively.

But he hasn’t. He’s 25, and has had a successful career so far. He’s had a tough season since joining, it hasn’t been a success story, but neither am I writing him off. There’s been good and bad, and he has had injuries and not had a run in the side at least partly because of this.
 


I have no idea why you think this. The only thing I’ve said about him is that he was one of our better players today, along with Welbeck. I don’t know if you’re getting my posts confused with someone else or something.

The Dutch cup was used an example of why he isn’t a “journeyman”, the word you used in response to someone else, which is where I joined the conversation.

My post was intended to convey that you misused the word, because a journeyman in football has a large number of clubs, staying a short time, often all over the globe/country depending on their level. Wieffer, factually and regardless of my opinion of his ability, went from a small club as a youth, to a bigger one Exelsior, to a bigger one Feyenoord (where he won a trophy and played in the CL and was a runner up), to a bigger league in the PL with us.

If in ten years, he has had stints in Finland, Qatar, back in the Eerste division in the Netherlands, and fourteen other clubs then fair enough, you’d be right retrospectively.

But he hasn’t. He’s 25, and has had a successful career so far. He’s had a tough season since joining, it hasn’t been a success story, but neither am I writing him off. There’s been good and bad, and he has had injuries and not had a run in the side at least partly because of this.
A lot of words to say you don’t have a strong opinion about him. Again I’m not sensing anything surreal here, fence sitting is the opposite of that
 




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I have no idea why you think this. The only thing I’ve said about him is that he was one of our better players today, along with Welbeck. I don’t know if you’re getting my posts confused with someone else or something.

The Dutch cup was used an example of why he isn’t a “journeyman”, the word you used in response to someone else, which is where I joined the conversation.

My post was intended to convey that you misused the word, because a journeyman in football has a large number of clubs, staying a short time, often all over the globe/country depending on their level. Wieffer, factually and regardless of my opinion of his ability, went from a small club as a youth, to a bigger one Exelsior, to a bigger one Feyenoord (where he won a trophy and played in the CL and was a runner up), to a bigger league in the PL with us.

If in ten years, he has had stints in Finland, Qatar, back in the Eerste division in the Netherlands, and fourteen other clubs then fair enough, you’d be right retrospectively.

But he hasn’t. He’s 25, and has had a successful career so far. He’s had a tough season since joining, it hasn’t been a success story, but neither am I writing him off. There’s been good and bad, and he has had injuries and not had a run in the side at least partly because of this.
You have no right to be realistic, so stop it immediately.
We are clearly useless, as we're not likely to be in Europe (even though we still could be), we stink out the Prem, have a crap manager (he's very young, apparently) and a bunch of players who obviously couldn't give a shit.
Sack them all, I say and be damned with it and turn the Amex into an athletic stadium and hurry up about it.
They're not worthy of us as fans.
 


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Agree with everything except Wieffer, we’ve overpaid for a journeyman performer who’s already been overtaken in CM by so many youngsters
He has started 3 games in his preferred position.
None of them consecutive.

Today was his first start since getting injured in December, playing as a right back.

Not sure he's been given the chance to be "overtaken".
 


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I was expecting to read about the kerfuffle on the concourse at half time but haven’t seen anything.

I wondered what occurred, however as it did it opened up a bit of a gap at the bar so it was a choice between rubbernecking or getting a pint. I chose the latter.
 




ROSM

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I don’t say what I say to be popular. If I was trying to win a popularity contest I’d just say “AWFUL WE’RE SUNDAY LEAGUE KICK FAB OUT NOW” every time we lose and just harvest a load of likes off Junior and the rest of the crowd who seem to enjoy us losing a lot more than they enjoy us winning.

I’m not saying Fab is perfect, far from it, he’s learning on the job in the toughest league around. But our run from the Forest debacle through to the FA Cup 1/4 final was one of the best we’ve produced in a long time, and I don’t recall too many complaints about the manager or the way the team were playing then.
Because he stopped playing Rutter as a winger/centre forward, and had to play Webster at centre back. The changes were forced on him he didn't make them voluntarily.

Now I get that it's great to have a lucky general and my lord he was lucky, but he isn't working these things out for himself. Amongst the squad we have now is one good enough to get a draw at palace, beat Leicester and get at least a draw at Brentford. 4 more points toward a march to europe. Playing how we have isn't going to make that happen.
 


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'Where's our striker gone?'....wtaf was that about?
The poor possible excuse of one we had got himself sent off.
'Sake.
Yea the gobby twat that was singing this loudly behind us got a load of abuse from fellow supporters and soon shut up for the rest of the game. He was moaning about everything from the start, teenage prat, although he insisted he was older🤣
 




ROSM

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Yea the gobby twat that was singing this loudly behind us got a load of abuse from fellow supporters and soon shut up for the rest of the game. He was moaning about everything from the start, teenage prat, although he insisted he was older🤣
If he was at the game and watching it then he was spot on moaning from the beginning.

We started poorly, went downhill, plateaued, continued to dig, hit rock bottom then made a few death throes before rolling over and getting railed with the final annoyance of having a last dagger through the heart.

But nice to see that one person got abuse from their fellow supporters when there were more than a third singing it and a good deal more thinking it.
 




Nitram

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If he was the only one singing it he was bloody loud
He was the only one singing behind us, it did set off other twats in the rest of the ground though. The guy was a pain in the arse from the beginning moaning at everything about the manager. He started the chant too thick to realise that Pedro was to blame not the manager, who IMO had to take Danny off to protect him as he would be the only available striker over the next three games. Still rent a gob had to have his moment in the limelight. Second half fellow supporters told him what they thought and he went silent for the rest of the game.
 


ROSM

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He was the only one singing behind us, it did set off other twats in the rest of the ground though. The guy was a pain in the arse from the beginning moaning at everything about the manager. He started the chant too thick to realise that Pedro was to blame not the manager, who IMO had to take Danny off to protect him as he would be the only available striker over the next three games. Still rent a gob had to have his moment in the limelight. Second half fellow supporters told him what they thought and he went silent for the rest of the game.
You speak like he isn't a supporter.

He clearly is

Whilst the manager MAY have a defence for his unusual subs yesterday , on the whole his changes this year have been left field.

As of yesterday I have moved to the fab out camp having been largely pragmatic up to now. The comments from welbeck tell us all we need to know that things aren't right. Getting into barneys with fellow loyal supporters isn't going to help that.
 


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