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Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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I wonder to what extent Trump's isolationism and hubris has been influenced by his good Brexit friend Nigel Farage?
Trump's tariffs feels very much like Brexit to me.
A trade deal between the US and the UK could be the economic equivalent of a winner takes all relegation decider.
Trump's tariffs feels very much like Brexit to me.
A trade deal between the US and the UK could be the economic equivalent of a winner takes all relegation decider.
aolstudios
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They're both Putin's boys, so...
Listen, I'm not saying Farage and Trump are definitely just doing the will of the Kremlin. But what I am saying is that if you were being paid to be disruptors damaging the western alliance by Moscow then you'd struggle to come up with ideas better than Brexit and Trump's trade war.
Pavilionaire
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- Jul 7, 2003
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I see Labour's Treasury Minister James Murray has been doing the TV rounds this morning, and has been receiving flack from BBC, ITV and Sky about Rachel Reeves' welfare cuts.
When asked about a Customs Union, Single Market and rejoining the EU he reiterated the government's position that "We're not going back, we're not going to join a Customs Union or the Single Market.
We know Labour has been working with Trump's team about a UK-US trade deal, but this hasn't stopped them slapping us with 10% tariffs.. Yet the UK could not pick a worse time to try and do a trade deal with the USA when Trump has made it clear he doesn't want trade deficits with foreign nations and when he is actively penalising countries who have been successfully exporting to the USA and giving those American consumers precisely what they want.
Any trade deal will mean not only will Trump screw us but being tied in will probably prevent us from re-joining an EU Customs Union. And a trade deal with the US will give Farage new hope he can reinvigorate his claim that Brexit is working.
What with that, the April price hikes coming in and Reeves' lacklustre performance I'm done with Labour. The only way forward out of this stasis and stagnation is the Lib Dems, and before anyone says tariffs would be higher if we were an EU country our exports to the EU are significantly more important, and the boost to our exports by being in a Customs Union with the EU would considerably greater than the value of lost exports to the USA.
When asked about a Customs Union, Single Market and rejoining the EU he reiterated the government's position that "We're not going back, we're not going to join a Customs Union or the Single Market.
We know Labour has been working with Trump's team about a UK-US trade deal, but this hasn't stopped them slapping us with 10% tariffs.. Yet the UK could not pick a worse time to try and do a trade deal with the USA when Trump has made it clear he doesn't want trade deficits with foreign nations and when he is actively penalising countries who have been successfully exporting to the USA and giving those American consumers precisely what they want.
Any trade deal will mean not only will Trump screw us but being tied in will probably prevent us from re-joining an EU Customs Union. And a trade deal with the US will give Farage new hope he can reinvigorate his claim that Brexit is working.
What with that, the April price hikes coming in and Reeves' lacklustre performance I'm done with Labour. The only way forward out of this stasis and stagnation is the Lib Dems, and before anyone says tariffs would be higher if we were an EU country our exports to the EU are significantly more important, and the boost to our exports by being in a Customs Union with the EU would considerably greater than the value of lost exports to the USA.
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aolstudios
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And no doubt any USA Trade Deal would require us to accept both chlorinated chicken and hormone beef.
I agree with you - word for word. Except that when you speak to Labour MPs or their associates you get the same view. I get manifesto commitments, but as Reeves keep telling us - the world has changed, never more so than this year.
Brexiteers bang on about the UK regaining its sovereignty, but at least we had a big voice in the EU. We're now in a position where we have to acquiesce to the US and accept all sorts of things - US criticism about protestor outside abortion clinics, digital tax on Amazon etc (who dont pay their fair share) in order to get a trade deal that will surely only benefit the US. A special relationship, don't make me laugh
Its time Labour got rid of its meekness and at least join the customs union. Otherwise, many others will support Lib Dems - my vote will be decided by this.
nicko31
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Small steps to a more sensible relationship
www.bbc.co.uk
UK edges towards post-Brexit youth visa deal with EU
An agreement has emerged as a key European demand in ongoing negotiations for a post-Brexit "reset".
www.bbc.co.uk
Small steps to a more sensible relationship
UK edges towards post-Brexit youth visa deal with EU
An agreement has emerged as a key European demand in ongoing negotiations for a post-Brexit "reset".
That’s been on the cards for a while, the French had held it up according to journalists (wanting to tie it in with completely unrelated stuff).
Funny that it pissed off Lord Haw Haw Farage.
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They are saying it quietly, with good reason, but Reeves’s comments here suggest to me that the EU reset will go a lot deeper than planned last year. Trump has made that a necessity.
www.theguardian.com
Reeves hints at priority as she says ‘trading relationship with Europe arguably more important’ than US – UK politics live
Chancellor said she understood the focus on possible deal with US, but added the EU remained ‘our nearest neighbours and trading partners’
www.theguardian.com
Mellor 3 Ward 4
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SM/CU?They are saying it quietly, with good reason, but Reeves’s comments here suggest to me that the EU reset will go a lot deeper than planned last year. Trump has made that a necessity.
Reeves hints at priority as she says ‘trading relationship with Europe arguably more important’ than US – UK politics live
Chancellor said she understood the focus on possible deal with US, but added the EU remained ‘our nearest neighbours and trading partners’
Let's hope so.
- Jan 25, 2025
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I suspect not yet, but if it sets us in that direction it’d be a good step.
According to LBC just then, the agreement in the pipeline between the EU and UK goes way beyond the freedom of movement exchange of young adults. Farage and Tice will have kittens.
- Jul 10, 2003
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We've just been lucky that Britain have been so financially successful over the last 5 years that we've been able to afford to write off £500B with no real effect on Infrastructure, NHS, Education, Social services, Policing, Judiciary etc 
It maybe that the next 5 years could be harder economically, so any steps towards getting that £100B per year back into the economy have to be positive.
Nah, only joking, Sovrinty all the way for me
It maybe that the next 5 years could be harder economically, so any steps towards getting that £100B per year back into the economy have to be positive.
Nah, only joking, Sovrinty all the way for me
Machiavelli
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If only some politicians will be up-front and say, this is what we need to do. Then the public can work out what they want to do and what future they want.
HMG trying to be all things to all people, scared of Reform in the Midlands/Wales/Northern marginals. Interesting analysis from John Curtice on that recently in a radio interview. Ironically Corbyn tried the same thing in the Dec 2019 GE, but in a far more amateurish way, torn to shreds in interviews.
Personally talks of full reentry to the EU or at the least a Norway style agreement, would elate me. But I take this move by Labour as a positive first step.