[Albion] Brighton fans: just the same whiney b*tches as Chelsea, Arsenal, and Man Utd's fans.

[Eeyore]

For the benefit of the armchair experts who are out in force tonight calling it overeaction, let me spell out what our performance today was really like.
I didn't think that our level could drop anymore from the previous four performances. Sadly, it did. In fact, it is now getting worse, game by game. It was a performance of collective errors from start to finish. The players seemed content to play at a tempo that offered little or no threat. Despite what the manager said post match about us being good first half, we were bloody awful. Fans were saying at HT that surely this couldn't get any worse. Sadly, it did. We got away with that HT scoreline. It was laughable that we were even level. Did we learn from it. No. We just kicked off again in the same manner, giving the ball away, right, left and centre and paid the price.
The game was crying out for change. There was no energy, no direction. Where was Mitoma? The fans could see it coming and it did. Too late. Taking off our only striker and dominant midfielder defied explanation and the fans turned ugly.
Pedro was a selfish and languid disgrace for 60 min before deciding to make our task even more difficult. Dunk struggled painfully again. Defensively, we were all over the shop. Brentford played in second gear and waited for the gaps to appear, which we were only too happy to provide. This was so far below the levels of a few games ago that you begin to wonder quite what is going on. The players actually appear to have given up.
TB heard and felt the frustration and anger first hand. It was in his ear. Although those berating him deserve condemnation. It was a mismanaged shambles, that gifted Brentford their first home win since December. For many still giving the manager leeway before today, this was a turning point. It felt like a rudderless ship, drifting slowly towards the rocks and its difficult to see anything other than a limp slide now into the bottom half.

Well I get all that, but if 'supporters' were berating Tony Bloom then they can pop down the road and support Chelsea. He doesn't elevate the club from the far reaches to Europe to get slated by some ego glory hunters.

 

[Kinky Gerbil]

NSC is on fire tonight.

That reminds me I saw Will Grigg play live yesterday, wasn't a completely wasted weekend of football watching

 

[Ali_rrr]

It isn't a 'comparison'.
Of course our expectations should not be the average of the last 40 or 80 years (mid table tier 3).
We want to do better. Of course.
But there is some entitlement creeping in as noted by @GrizzlingGammon and @AmexRuislip and me and others.

In my job it is all about what didn't work and how can we make it better.
Well, we punters can't make anything better.
But we can shout 'we want baldy OUT, we want baldy OUT' at the next match.
If we want.

Despite my comment this evening that maybe the club should sack the manager, this is merely a thought.
It isn't a campaign. And I am not ready to join any such campaign.
But some posts, posters and threads on NSC are rabble rousing calls to Citizen Action.
(albeit in a nudge wink sort of style, which is as preposterous as it is hilarious.
Do you agree with me? What? You know, that... What? You know. About the manager. What?)

We want a fully verifiable, er plan, with visceral entertainment and no VAR.
When do we want it?
Now!

I do agree with your point regarding entitlement, don't get me wrong. However, some on here think we should be happy regardless what happens on the pitch because of the 90's and I do understand their point but the club is vastly different to that club then and some really need to move on. It isn't healthy.

 

[BadFish]

The fact is how we respond and view our current poor form makes no difference to the outcome in terms of performance, club development etc. In fact it could be argued that it will only make on pitch performances worse

So how we choose to react to this is our choice. I am happy to put these performances into our historical context and see them as part of a process because the alternative as chosen by some on this board at best causes anger, frustration and disappointment for the individual and at worse incredibly embarrassing for them and the rest of us associated with the club.

We all make our choice.

For me this season is done and I am happy to let those in charge (those that have all the information, data and power) decide how we move forward next season.

 

[wellquickwoody]

No I'm not saying that.
Just that we haven't been in the PL 5 mins and just because we're in a bad place ATM it seems like to some it's end of the world.
I get things aren't great, but things will pick up.
All IMO of course.

To be fair, it ain’t 5 minutes.

 

[Pevenseagull]

Our fans like to mock Chelsea's and Arsenal's, yet are just the same whiney bunch of b*tches, squealing like a stuck pig after every loss.

Bollocks

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

No one enjoys long winless runs and we do specialise in them

... and also specialise in ending other clubs long winless runs.

Last week Leicester had lost seven games on the bounce without scored a single goal before putting two past us from open play and being unlucky to come away with a draw. This week Brentford hadn't won at home for seven games before we duly obliged. Wonder what unenviable losing streak we can help Plodder get rid of next week?

BHAFC: The Gift That Keeps On Giving

 

[el_ciddy]

Does there come a point when we get to stop 'being grateful' and are allowed to expect improvement?

I doubt it. We’re always one post away from being reminded we need a history lesson.

 

[American Seagle]

People have been very whiney and entitled recently. We are not having a bad season. Not a good one either. Just an average one. The bed wetting over an average season does make us look entitled and give us a poor reputation.

Get a grip people and get behind the team.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

People have been very whiney and entitled recently. We are not having a bad season. Not a good one either. Just an average one. The bed wetting over an average season does make us look entitled and give us a poor reputation.

Get a grip people and get behind the team.

it's a cumulative thing.
The last 3 or 4 performances have been very poor.

In truth, I'm not really over how badly we played at Selhurst Park.
We were promised a reaction to that.
Then we didn't really show up against Leicester.
We were promised a reaction to that.
Then we were defensively naive yesterday.

We were decent against Forest, but it's all been downhill from there, and it feels like the players have lost some self-belief.

 

[BadFish]

People have been very whiney and entitled recently. We are not having a bad season. Not a good one either. Just an average one. The bed wetting over an average season does make us look entitled and give us a poor reputation.

Get a grip people and get behind the team.

I think it is a lot to do with those that have rejected the idea of a 'process'. Our whole strategy is based on a process, buy young players, give them game time and sell on when necessary. It is a process that has given us the edge version our rivals, played to our strengths and worked incredibly well for us so far. It has made us a top half of the premier league team. Which is fantastic.

However if one chooses to reject the idea of process they are either ignoring the progress that our process has made, advocating to scrap the proces or failing to recognise that our process means we will inevitably take some backwards step from time to time.

I also think that some people are adding their own goals to the process and then criticising it. Demanding we have to qualify for Europe or win a trophy and then whining when we don't is the epitomy of embarrassing and entitled, IMHO.

I am not seeing any evidence suggesting that's we should not 'trust the process'. Those in charge of it are best placed to over see it.

 

[American Seagle]

it's a cumulative thing.
The last 3 or 4 performances have been very poor.

In truth, I'm not really over how badly we played at Selhurst Park.
We were promised a reaction to that.
Then we didn't really show up against Leicester.
We were promised a reaction to that.
Then we were defensively naive yesterday.

We were decent against Forest, but it's all been downhill from there, and it feels like the players have lost some self-belief.

Yeah it's a poor run. But it's only 3 or 4 games as you said. That's no reason to start turning on the players and even the long serving club captain. It's ridiculous.

We are tenth. That's about par for where we are.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Yeah it's a poor run. But it's only 3 or 4 games as you said. That's no reason to start turning on the players and even the long serving club captain. It's ridiculous.

We are tenth. That's about par for where we are.

Yeah. Couldn't agree more.

The direction of travel is a worry, but that can very easily be mapped to the colossal number of injuries we've had.

Not sure I agree that people have turned on the club captain.
I think we are all pretty sad to be watching the great man's demise.

It might just be poor form, but he has looked a shadow of his former self since the end of last season.

 

[JetsetJimbo]

I think it is a lot to do with those that have rejected the idea of a 'process'. Our whole strategy is based on a process, buy young players, give them game time and sell on when necessary. It is a process that has given us the edge version our rivals, played to our strengths and worked incredibly well for us so far. It has made us a top half of the premier league team. Which is fantastic.

However if one chooses to reject the idea of process they are either ignoring the progress that our process has made, advocating to scrap the proces or failing to recognise that our process means we will inevitably take some backwards step from time to time.

I also think that some people are adding their own goals to the process and then criticising it. Demanding we have to qualify for Europe or win a trophy and then whining when we don't is the epitomy of embarrassing and entitled, IMHO.

I am not seeing any evidence suggesting that's we should not 'trust the process'. Those in charge of it are best placed to over see it.

You're conflating two very separate things. The club's long-term plan of buying and developing players on the one hand, and FH's nebulous "process" on the other that he constantly asks us to trust. I don't see anyone rejecting the former, only the latter.

 

[BadFish]

You're conflating two very separate things. The club's long-term plan of buying and developing players on the one hand, and FH's nebulous "process" on the other that he constantly asks us to trust. I don't see anyone rejecting the former, only the latter.

I see it as Fab referring to the single process, the clubs process. Having more than one will really not work. Part of that process will be evaluating this seasons and the factors we can change to improve it. If Fab remains at the helm and part of the process remains to be seen.

What your saying does make sense though, if people are seeing two processes that are not aligning then no wonder they are calling for his head.

I guess it depends on how the powers that be seen it. Clearly they saw it that way at the end of RDZ' tenure.

Although I can't ignore the fact that some of the hysterical posts on here over the last few weeks suggest that some of our fans are also rejecting the clubs process.

 

[Justice]

I think it is a lot to do with those that have rejected the idea of a 'process'. Our whole strategy is based on a process, buy young players, give them game time and sell on when necessary. It is a process that has given us the edge version our rivals, played to our strengths and worked incredibly well for us so far. It has made us a top half of the premier league team. Which is fantastic.

However if one chooses to reject the idea of process they are either ignoring the progress that our process has made, advocating to scrap the proces or failing to recognise that our process means we will inevitably take some backwards step from time to time.

I also think that some people are adding their own goals to the process and then criticising it. Demanding we have to qualify for Europe or win a trophy and then whining when we don't is the epitomy of embarrassing and entitled, IMHO.

I am not seeing any evidence suggesting that's we should not 'trust the process'. Those in charge of it are best placed to over see it.

lol, what a load of bollocks. Show me evidence of one poster demanding we win a trophy or demanding we must qualify for Europe.

 

[BadFish]

lol, what a load of bollocks. Show me evidence of one poster demanding we win a trophy or demanding we must qualify for Europe.

You will have missed it Justice, to have noticed you would have had to have been reading as well as posting.

 

[Chicken Run]

When you think some have had kids and are now grand parents since Hereford it is the most ridiculous excuse for Fab not having a clue what he’s doing at this level.

I’ve been married twice and had 2 of my three kids since Hereford, in fact the last time the Uk won Eurovision was the evening of that game

Is it 7 PM’s aswell?

 

[Hamilton]

Our fans like to mock Chelsea's and Arsenal's, yet are just the same whiney bunch of b*tches, squealing like a stuck pig after every loss.

And this is how it starts.

Try to discern the difference between fans debating whether this is the right course of action and squealing like stuck pigs.

We really don’t need deliberately divisive posts like this trying to stir up division based on nothing more than emotion.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

And to think Potter got and still gets slated for daring to mention our history!

Now we’re being told we HAVE to remember that history every time we complain.