[Albion] Buonanotte and Enciso

[Terry Connor]

Given Pedro's upcoming absence and Rutter's injury, does it not make sense to attempt to get one of these back for the run-in, given that their teams have effectively been relegated? We need more attacking options.

Despite recent performances and the general gloom on here, the reality is that both Bournemouth and Fulham have tough run-ins, as do Chelsea who if they don't make the top5 but win the Conference could well free up a 9th place European slot (provided the unmentionables don't fluke 2 Wembley wins).

All to play for.

 

[WhingForPresident]

Given Pedro's upcoming absence and Rutter's injury, does it not make sense to attempt to get one of these back for the run-in, given that their teams have effectively been relegated? We need more attacking options.

Despite recent performances and the general gloom on here, the reality is that both Bournemouth and Fulham have tough run-ins, as do Chelsea who if they don't make the top5 but win the Conference could well free up a 9th place European slot (provided the unmentionables don't fluke 2 Wembley wins).

All to play for.

You can't recall players outside of a transfer window.

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

Given Pedro's upcoming absence and Rutter's injury, does it not make sense to attempt to get one of these back for the run-in, given that their teams have effectively been relegated? We need more attacking options.

Despite recent performances and the general gloom on here, the reality is that both Bournemouth and Fulham have tough run-ins, as do Chelsea who if they don't make the top5 but win the Conference could well free up a 9th place European slot (provided the unmentionables don't fluke 2 Wembley wins).

All to play for.

Pretty sure we are prevented on recalling and registering them mid season

 

[Greg Bobkin]

I don't think recalling them is an option.

 

[WATFORD zero]

We can't recall them for this season but I still think they are two of the most exciting 20 and 21 year old attacking players around and there'll be a place for one, possibly both, in next season's squad.

Although I'm not sure João Pedro has quite gone to the long term plan this season

 

[A1X]

So apart from the fact we can’t do it, it’s a flawless plan?

 

[Barham's tash]

Aside from the obvious and correct input already I would say the talent of these two being not utilised by us in any capacity this season is another reason for TB to consider whether FH is the right man for us.

They are hugely talented and both IMO benefitted HUGELY in confidence gleaned from a manager with the motivational capabilities of RDZ. No I am not advocating for his return but simply pointing out that I think perhaps TB/PB/DW might have been surprised how underwhelming FH's ability in this regard has proven.

I give you the following as examples of players who have EXCELLED and looked exceptional in different environment with a strong motivational coach:-

March
Adingra
Buonanotte
Enciso
Dunk (hear me out here but his downturn in form cannot be a coincidence - I suspect he thinks FZ only stuck with him out of respect for him being club captain and if it's true theyve had a conversation about the future and perhaps less game time that Dunk's drop off is because he needs to feel loved, respected and wanted)
Verbruggen - the rotation under RDZ worked to help two keepers raise their games Steele was exceptional at times as was BV. FH confirming BV as #1 has not been rewarded with strong consistent performances.
Pedro was I expect managed and kept in check a bit better by RDZ. Sure he showed petulance but not to the extent he has this season and seemingly been rewarded with it misguidedly by FH giving him the captaincy and then the next game watching him get sent off.

Granted we have seen a resurgance in Webster but I argue he is the exception to the rule.

And then there are those who are either of such exceptional quality or maturity or both like Mitoma, Rutter and Welbeck who I dare say perform at their level irrespective of who is in charge.

 

[BN9 BHA]

 

[Weststander]

Aside from the obvious and correct input already I would say the talent of these two being not utilised by us in any capacity this season is another reason for TB to consider whether FH is the right man for us.

They are hugely talented and both IMO benefitted HUGELY in confidence gleaned from a manager with the motivational capabilities of RDZ. No I am not advocating for his return but simply pointing out that I think perhaps TB/PB/DW might have been surprised how underwhelming FH's ability in this regard has proven.

I give you the following as examples of players who have EXCELLED and looked exceptional in different environment with a strong motivational coach:-

March
Adingra
Buonanotte
Enciso
Dunk (hear me out here but his downturn in form cannot be a coincidence - I suspect he thinks FZ only stuck with him out of respect for him being club captain and if it's true theyve had a conversation about the future and perhaps less game time that Dunk's drop off is because he needs to feel loved, respected and wanted)
Verbruggen - the rotation under RDZ worked to help two keepers raise their games Steele was exceptional at times as was BV. FH confirming BV as #1 has not been rewarded with strong consistent performances.
Pedro was I expect managed and kept in check a bit better by RDZ. Sure he showed petulance but not to the extent he has this season and seemingly been rewarded with it misguidedly by FH giving him the captaincy and then the next game watching him get sent off.

Granted we have seen a resurgance in Webster but I argue he is the exception to the rule.

And then there are those who are either of such exceptional quality or maturity or both like Mitoma, Rutter and Welbeck who I dare say perform at their level irrespective of who is in charge.

Guess we’ll find out post season. If TB retains FH, with his inside knowledge, that must include a belief that FH has improved players in the main.

Potter and RDZ definitely improved many players, several players cited RDZ as upping their game eg Solly, Steele and Dunk.

Enciso’s a strange one. For a quite while he just started playing for himself, looking to score more wonder goals after a mazy run.

 

[Barham's tash]

Guess we’ll find out post season. If TB retains FH, with his inside knowledge, that must include a belief that FH has improved players in the main.

Potter and RDZ definitely improved many players, several players cited RDZ as upping their game eg Solly, Steele and Dunk.

Enciso’s a strange one. For a quite while he just started playing for himself, looking to score more wonder goals after a mazy run.

I agree the proof of the pudding is indeed in the eating.

As for Enciso adopting a look at me attitude, it largely coincided with FH arriving. Now I'm no psychology expert but if you have been built up by a former manager who believed in you, your role in the team and footprint on it's swashbuckling style and then a new manager arrives and suggests otherwise in a it's my way or the highway type fashion, might you not too try and showcase why he might be wrong?

Then relegated to the bench with mildly degrading 3 minute end of game cameos until you tow that line, which you do, only to see that you're still not looked upon favourably you might too as a young impressionable and confident in your ability footballer think sod this for a game of soldiers and revert to selfishness?

Again I am not saying Enciso was/is right to do that but we saw a much more team oriented player under RDZ who had the sublime and solo effort in his locker from time to time than we did under Fab. I would also suggest that after his goal against Man City TB expected Enciso to be the next product off the shelf for a very high bid but instead we will have to consider a cut price sale with only 18 months left on his contract and unless there's a change of manager and return to the starting XI I doubt his entourage will be rushing to commit to another 4/5 years.

This decision for TB is incredibly complex as for the model to work the show ponies have to be erm showcased and with FH i'm not sure he's backed the right horse to do that. Either in style or man management.

There's a reason our squad is stocked to the gills with young gifted flambouyant AM/AMC/WNG/CFs it's because sexy SELLS but it only does so if it's showcased.

It's a bit like running a brothel and employing exceptionally attractive units but only putting munters in the shop window. Sure they MAY get the job done but are you going to be able to charge ££££££ if the merchandise is dull? Nope.

I'm sure my comments will draw multiple levels of criticism for not romanticising the adventure we're on with TB but ultimately his model is buy young, undervalued commodities, help them on their way and then flog them off for as much as possible to brave gullible fools who love glittering prizes to show off to their mates.

 

[Barham's tash]

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I can't find a meme, and it certainly wouldn't be as recognisable to the masses, but it reminds me of Series 5 of Red Dwarf (the pinnacle and I will die on that hill).

The possie are in a jam as usual and the Cat says "well why don't we just crack open the lazer cannons and blast our way out of here?!" to which Kryten replies: "An adroit suggestion Sir with just two minor draw backs. 1. We don't have any lazer cannons and 2. we don't have any lazer cannons. I realise that technically this is only one reason but I thought it was such a big one that I should mention it twice."

 

[WATFORD zero]

Guess we’ll find out post season. If TB retains FH, with his inside knowledge, that must include a belief that FH has improved players in the main.

Potter and RDZ definitely improved many players, several players cited RDZ as upping their game eg Solly, Steele and Dunk.

Enciso’s a strange one. For a quite while he just started playing for himself, looking to score more wonder goals after a mazy run.

I think that is sometimes called "a touch of the João Pedro's".

It is incredibly frustrating when you know they are capable of very quick one touch football and movement

 

[Weststander]

I agree the proof of the pudding is indeed in the eating.

As for Enciso adopting a look at me attitude, it largely coincided with FH arriving. Now I'm no psychology expert but if you have been built up by a former manager who believed in you, your role in the team and footprint on it's swashbuckling style and then a new manager arrives and suggests otherwise in a it's my way or the highway type fashion, might you not too try and showcase why he might be wrong?

Then relegated to the bench with mildly degrading 3 minute end of game cameos until you tow that line, which you do, only to see that you're still not looked upon favourably you might too as a young impressionable and confident in your ability footballer think sod this for a game of soldiers and revert to selfishness?

Again I am not saying Enciso was/is right to do that but we saw a much more team oriented player under RDZ who had the sublime and solo effort in his locker from time to time than we did under Fab. I would also suggest that after his goal against Man City TB expected Enciso to be the next product off the shelf for a very high bid but instead we will have to consider a cut price sale with only 18 months left on his contract and unless there's a change of manager and return to the starting XI I doubt his entourage will be rushing to commit to another 4/5 years.

This decision for TB is incredibly complex as for the model to work the show ponies have to be erm showcased and with FH i'm not sure he's backed the right horse to do that. Either in style or man management.

There's a reason our squad is stocked to the gills with young gifted flambouyant AM/AMC/WNG/CFs it's because sexy SELLS but it only does so if it's showcased.

It's a bit like running a brothel and employing exceptionally attractive units but only putting munters in the shop window. Sure they MAY get the job done but are you going to be able to charge ££££££ if the merchandise is dull? Nope.

I'm sure my comments will draw multiple levels of criticism for not romanticising the adventure we're on with TB but ultimately his model is buy young, undervalued commodities, help them on their way and then flog them off for as much as possible to brave gullible fools who love glittering prizes to show off to their mates.

I loved the end of Potter to first three quarters of RDZ era, as good as it gets.

I realise nsc only does binary love or hate on ex managers, it’s unusual to like two successive managers. But both RDZ and FH have been crippled with injuries in the season run ins. This time last year no; Solly, Mitoma, Milner, Ferguson, Gilmour, Hinshelwood, Estupinan, Lamptey.

Looking forward, really hoping we give the value signing of small technicians and keepers a rest, bringing in athletic DM and defenders.

 

[Wozza]

We can't recall them for this season but I still think they are two of the most exciting 20 and 21 year old attacking players around and there'll be a place for one, possibly both, in next season's squad.

Although I'm not sure João Pedro has quite gone to the long term plan this season

0% chance of Enciso staying imo.

 

[trueblue]

If players as talented as Enciso, Buonanotte and Ferguson all fall by the wayside, I think it'd be fair to say something's gone badly wrong.

 

[Right Back]

Aside from the obvious and correct input already I would say the talent of these two being not utilised by us in any capacity this season is another reason for TB to consider whether FH is the right man for us.

They are hugely talented and both IMO benefitted HUGELY in confidence gleaned from a manager with the motivational capabilities of RDZ. No I am not advocating for his return but simply pointing out that I think perhaps TB/PB/DW might have been surprised how underwhelming FH's ability in this regard has proven.

I give you the following as examples of players who have EXCELLED and looked exceptional in different environment with a strong motivational coach:-

March
Adingra
Buonanotte
Enciso
Dunk (hear me out here but his downturn in form cannot be a coincidence - I suspect he thinks FZ only stuck with him out of respect for him being club captain and if it's true theyve had a conversation about the future and perhaps less game time that Dunk's drop off is because he needs to feel loved, respected and wanted)
Verbruggen - the rotation under RDZ worked to help two keepers raise their games Steele was exceptional at times as was BV. FH confirming BV as #1 has not been rewarded with strong consistent performances.
Pedro was I expect managed and kept in check a bit better by RDZ. Sure he showed petulance but not to the extent he has this season and seemingly been rewarded with it misguidedly by FH giving him the captaincy and then the next game watching him get sent off.

Granted we have seen a resurgance in Webster but I argue he is the exception to the rule.

And then there are those who are either of such exceptional quality or maturity or both like Mitoma, Rutter and Welbeck who I dare say perform at their level irrespective of who is in charge.

Adingra was never exceptional under RDZ.
Dunk’s decline is clearly due to injuries or his body giving up. The signs were there last season under RDZ.
Once the club bought Gruda there needed to be loans for Buonnotte and Enciso. Neither were going to play ahead of Rutter and Pedro. To try and attack FH for these reasons is ridiculous. FH was also right to make Bart number 1 and to stop switching him.
March is coming back from a terrible injury and isn’t ready to start a game. Again this has nothing to do with FH’s management or ability to motivate.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

How are they both getting on at Leicester and Ipswich?

 

[Weststander]

How are they both getting on at Leicester and Ipswich?

And Fergie at WHU.

 

[HeaviestTed]

So apart from the fact we can’t do it, it’s a flawless plan?

But if we could pull it off we could be sitting in the stands watching the West Ham match with a beer and a pocket full of of bottle tops

 

[A1X]

But if we could pull it off we could be sitting in the stands watching the West Ham match with a beer and a pocket full of of bottle tops