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[brighton fella]

No need to apologise for your ignorance but perhaps you should do something about it. If you had read the article you would see that your second paragraph bares little resemblance to any of the points raised in it. Still easier to not read it and make up what you need to compound your ignorance than to risk challenging it eh?


Perhaps you could answer my questions though, I would be interested in your answers.

Like I say none of this changes what those white robes represent.

Although I am interested to hear what you think they now represent?

Actually as you mention it could you answer some of the questions that Soul Man has swerved (don't worry I won't ask you to answer all of them! )

How long does one need to be in the England to be an indigenous Englishman?

My family either came over with William the Conquer or the Roman? we are not quite sure. Does this make me indigenous?

Does one stop being an indigenous Englishman when they move abroad?

Does playing for the England cricket team make you an indigenous Englishman?

my second paragraph may bear little resemblance but it is an important one all the same.
so what if they get stop and searched surely if they've got nothing to hide they've got nothing to fear? so the whole thing is way to unacceptable & incriminating for the police to stop & search anyone is it?? or would you rather they just singled out whites instead and when the whites start to complain put a ban on searching completely? if the police are not allowed to do their job then surely there is no point in having a police force.. just give everyone a free reign to do as they like is what you are basically saying? so I take it you must take that kind of attitude with your kids aswell then otherwise youd be contradicting yourself?

 

[brighton fella]

Not much chance of this happening, still the idea is there.
"Terror suspects could be banned from worshipping in mosques after burka escape by Mohammed Ahmed Mohamed "
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...escape-by-mohammed-ahmed-mohamed-8935621.html

just let them do as they like its no big problem is what bf will say, doesent really matter if someone is killed in the process

 

[brighton fella]

Seeing as you are so concerned about what is happening in the UK. Have a look at the teaching in your own country. I daresay seeing as you live there, you might have different opinions to Dr Kevin Donnelly. Living this far away, is it happening.
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/34718.html

Oh and an opinion/evidence from our green and pleasant land.
http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkin...to-gove-what-is-england-teaching-its-children

theres not enough evidence there to make it a problem worth worrying about or its a good idea to teach our kids this kind of stuff

 

[Soulman]

just let them do as they like its no big problem is what bf will say, doesent really matter if someone is killed in the process

From today. I don't expect that BF has these problems in OZ, although he does seem to know all about what is going on here.
Islam, increasingly growing in numbers in British prisons, and – of course – bringing peace wherever it goes.
So let's get this right, the weapons were hidden under the prayer mats, criminals and prayer mats eh.
Another problem that is escalating, for a minority these people are sure making themselves heard.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thirteen-home-made-knives-found-hidden-2844154

 

[Soulman]

theres not enough evidence there to make it a problem worth worrying about or its a good idea to teach our kids this kind of stuff

Blimey, no wonder some of the Palace fans have trouble stringing a sentence together. I wonder if BF has this at his school. Left wingers in 69 different languages now eh.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/444634/School-has-69-languages-spoken-by-its-migrant-pupils

 

[brighton fella]

Blimey, no wonder some of the Palace fans have trouble stringing a sentence together. I wonder if BF has this at his school. Left wingers in 69 different languages now eh.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/444634/School-has-69-languages-spoken-by-its-migrant-pupils

this is all very well this culture love in if we could only all get along..but the answer to that is we dont, the thought was a nice touch but in reality it aint working.
to be fair this cosy little arrangement would have probably worked better had it of not been for a particular element.

they've had their little experiment with us and nows the time they did another little experiment by closing down our boarders.

 

[BadFish]

Seeing as you are so concerned about what is happening in the UK. Have a look at the teaching in your own country. I daresay seeing as you live there, you might have different opinions to Dr Kevin Donnelly. Living this far away, is it happening.
http://www.abc.net.au/unleashed/34718.html

Oh and an opinion/evidence from our green and pleasant land.
http://www.opendemocracy.net/ourkin...to-gove-what-is-england-teaching-its-children

wow you have been busy finding lots of evidence - you could have mentioned what you think the evidence is showing though. Any chance of a response to my questions about your last piece of evidence before we move on to the next lot?

I am not trying to disrupt anything I am simply asking you to explain how the letter you posted (twice) is evidence of your assertion (point two i think) that their is a drip drip attempt to Islamify the UK. Surely for someone so sure of their position this would not be a particularly difficult task.

no?

any answers to my questions about the indigenous Englishmen you keep refering to?

no?

so these appear to be be two article about right wing governments complaining that the way history is taught it too left wing (sorry I scanned, you have given me a lot to read before work, feel free to correct me on the point you are making or the bit i missed). Given the Australia Liberals have inherited a national curriculum designed by the last labour government it is hardly surprising that they think it is too left leaning and want to change it (they criticised it for this all the way). I suspect the UK story is a similar story. If either government care that much then they will obviously change it to reflect their own right leaning bias.

Is this evidence of your left wing conspiracy? That right leaning politicians are complaining that the history curriculum is too left learning - laughable

 

[BadFish]

Not much chance of this happening, still the idea is there.
"Terror suspects could be banned from worshipping in mosques after burka escape by Mohammed Ahmed Mohamed "
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...escape-by-mohammed-ahmed-mohamed-8935621.html

This looks like evidence to disprove your theory of the government conspiring with Islam as they try to tighten up on 'monitoring potential dangerous extremists'. Or is it more evidence to prove that there are some radicals i the UK - This is not in dispute so the evidence is pointless.

 

[BadFish]

Blimey, no wonder some of the Palace fans have trouble stringing a sentence together. I wonder if BF has this at his school. Left wingers in 69 different languages now eh.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/444634/School-has-69-languages-spoken-by-its-migrant-pupils

No idea what this has to do with the discussion

 

[BadFish]

From today. I don't expect that BF has these problems in OZ, although he does seem to know all about what is going on here.
Islam, increasingly growing in numbers in British prisons, and – of course – bringing peace wherever it goes.
So let's get this right, the weapons were hidden under the prayer mats, criminals and prayer mats eh.
Another problem that is escalating, for a minority these people are sure making themselves heard.
http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/uk-news/thirteen-home-made-knives-found-hidden-2844154

There was a fight in prison involving Muslims, do we get to hear about every fight in prisons involving non muslims? Why is this a story?

You will have to tell me how this proves any of your points about the Islamification of the UK. It tells that their are Muslims and that they are in prison and that they used their prayer mats to hide their knives (although it is the mirror so I will take it's accusations with a pinch of salt).

 

[BadFish]

Well thanks for the evidence it certainly has proved a few things to me.

 

[BadFish]

this is all very well this culture love in if we could only all get along..but the answer to that is we dont, the thought was a nice touch but in reality it aint working.
to be fair this cosy little arrangement would have probably worked better had it of not been for a particular element.

they've had their little experiment with us and nows the time they did another little experiment by closing down our boarders.

Yes i agree here entirely, What with their hate preaching, warped ideologies and outdated views. Although I think we should find a place for them, multiculturalism should include far right nut jobs too.

 

[BadFish]

Not much chance of this happening, still the idea is there.
"Terror suspects could be banned from worshipping in mosques after burka escape by Mohammed Ahmed Mohamed "
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...escape-by-mohammed-ahmed-mohamed-8935621.html

I just remembered something about some criminals donning religious gear to escape. There was a documentary about it years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcJ0KL_F5r0

You blokes must have been furious when this movie came out.

 

[Soulman]

I just remembered something about some criminals donning religious gear to escape. There was a documentary about it years ago

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rcJ0KL_F5r0

You blokes must have been furious when this movie came out.

Oh really, assuming again eh, laughable.
Was there any uproar, no, people just smiled. Has Monty Python been banned, had a fatwa put out on the heads of the cast....no. Are Monty Python going on stage to do a live show soon.....yes.
So this is your attempt at trying to make out that Christians would be upset by a bit of satire...... 1/10 for effort BF.

Meanwhile, in England, from today, just keeping you up to speed BF on the going's on over here.
By the way, doesn't that Monty Python sketch look dated now, good job there was no footage of the Crusaders, i daresay you would have dug that vintage footage out as well.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...0307/Terror-link-group-met-in-parliament.html

 

[Soulman]

There was a fight in prison involving Muslims, do we get to hear about every fight in prisons involving non muslims? Why is this a story?

You will have to tell me how this proves any of your points about the Islamification of the UK. It tells that their are Muslims and that they are in prison and that they used their prayer mats to hide their knives (although it is the mirror so I will take it's accusations with a pinch of salt).

Ok then, a different attack, a different media source.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/40...n-guard-demanded-release-of-radicalised-women

Here is one you might have heard about....Channel 4 ok?
http://www.channel4.com/news/edl-muslims-sentenced-old-bailey

A few facts, although don't worry the figures will not affect you.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3913/uk-muslim-prison-population
http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com...im-inmates-ever-currently-in-british-prisons/

 

[BadFish]

Oh really, assuming again eh, laughable.
Was there any uproar, no, people just smiled. Has Monty Python been banned, had a fatwa put out on the heads of the cast....no. Are Monty Python going on stage to do a live show soon.....yes.
So this is your attempt at trying to make out that Christians would be upset by a bit of satire...... 1/10 for effort BF.

Meanwhile, in England, from today, just keeping you up to speed BF on the going's on over here.
By the way, doesn't that Monty Python sketch look dated now, good job there was no footage of the Crusaders, i daresay you would have dug that vintage footage out as well.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukn...0307/Terror-link-group-met-in-parliament.html

People smiled at the joke did they? Because that is what people do with jokes. Shame you missed point (again) with this one.

Although by responding to the silly joke it saves you from addressing the more serious points being made I suppose.

Any chance you can tell me how the the previous links you have posted are evidence of the Islamification of the UK? Other wise I might think you are dodging my question. (I haven't got time to read the latest one as I am at work).

Don't forget this one too

Perhaps you could carefully explain how a letter about a workshop on an unspecified religion is part of a great conspiracy to turn the UK into and Islamic state. Don't forget to include how the conspiracy involves the education department (who criticised the letter) and the government (who criticized the letter also).

and my questions about Indigenous English.

 

[BadFish]

Ok then, a different attack, a different media source.
http://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/40...n-guard-demanded-release-of-radicalised-women

Here is one you might have heard about....Channel 4 ok?
http://www.channel4.com/news/edl-muslims-sentenced-old-bailey

A few facts, although don't worry the figures will not affect you.
http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/3913/uk-muslim-prison-population
http://themuslimissue.wordpress.com...im-inmates-ever-currently-in-british-prisons/

Before I read this can you tell me how it links to the Islamification of the UK as all these links don't seem to be addressing it.

To me your links just seem to be about misbehaving muslims which can't be right because I know you are only worried about radical Islam and not Islam as a whole.

 

[Soulman]

People smiled at the joke did they? Because that is what people do with jokes. Shame you missed point (again) with this one.

Although by responding to the silly joke it saves you from addressing the more serious points being made I suppose.

Any chance you can tell me how the the previous links you have posted are evidence of the Islamification of the UK? Other wise I might think you are dodging my question. (I haven't got time to read the latest one as I am at work).

Don't forget this one too

Perhaps you could carefully explain how a letter about a workshop on an unspecified religion is part of a great conspiracy to turn the UK into and Islamic state. Don't forget to include how the conspiracy involves the education department (who criticised the letter) and the government (who criticized the letter also).

and my questions about Indigenous English.

Is this a project, like a school project you are setting me. I really don't need you to tell me what i can/should post. All the way through this thread you have put question after question, then demanding answers when you are not happy with the replies.
How about a few answers instead of questions from you.
I don't know, i must be mad arguing about issues in England with someone living the other side of the world.
Presumably you left England for a better life and future for yourself and family, yet you have the gall to preach and dismiss those that worry in a country nearly 10,000 miles away from you.

 

[BadFish]

Is this a project, like a school project you are setting me. I really don't need you to tell me what i can/should post. All the way through this thread you have put question after question, then demanding answers when you are not happy with the replies.
How about a few answers instead of questions from you.
I don't know, i must be mad arguing about issues in England with someone living the other side of the world.
Presumably you left England for a better life and future for yourself and family, yet you have the gall to preach and dismiss those that worry in a country nearly 10,000 miles away from you.

Not a school project just a discussion.I have this expectation that someone with such radical and strongly held views as yourself should be able to provide some kind of logical justification for. Something which you have spectacularly failed to do.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Is this a project, like a school project you are setting me. I really don't need you to tell me what i can/should post. All the way through this thread you have put question after question, then demanding answers when you are not happy with the replies.
How about a few answers instead of questions from you.
I don't know, i must be mad arguing about issues in England with someone living the other side of the world.
Presumably you left England for a better life and future for yourself and family, yet you have the gall to preach and dismiss those that worry in a country nearly 10,000 miles away from you.

that's the problem with bf and a dave, both of them preaching from another country you couldn't make it up ,AS I SAID I'D GIVE THEM SOME CREDIBILITY IF THEY WERE ON THE " FRONT LINE " both making excuses for ISLAM
regards
DR