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chickens

Have you considered masterly inactivity?
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Oct 12, 2022
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OK, not getting a really fast car. I'm trying to get a sense of whether a normal family EV will cost more than a comparable family ICE. If so, by what sort of percentage

So, I’m driving what was a brand new MG ZS EV, insurance is spread across 12 months, insurance is £65.15pcm

That’s for me doing 15,000 miles a year, fully comprehensive, including social, commuting and business use. (My vehicle is part of my job)

My vehicle is parked on-street in a slightly “crimey” part of South Wales.

I’m doubtless paying a bit more than the standard because the vehicle is used for work (not just commuting to and from) and we’ve no off-street parking.

With regard to maintenance, the Leaf required tyres, wiper blades and washer fluid, and a replacement 12v battery over the three years we owned it (it hadn’t been replaced since new and the vehicle was 8 years old at time of replacement)

The MG’s only been with us for 6 months, so is exactly as it was driven away from the showroom. Nothing to report so far.
 






maltaseagull

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Feb 25, 2009
13,718
Zabbar- Malta
:reinelt: The BYD Seagull is launching in theUK!
:tears:Renamed as the BYD Dolphin Surf
I am so glad I didn´t wait!
WE were told the Seagull was due early 2025 but got the BYD Dolphin in April last year. It´s bigger than I really wanted but soon got used to the size and the cameras and sensors make parking so easy. So far, very pleased with it.
 


Audax

Boing boing boing...
Aug 3, 2015
3,429
Uckfield
I'm also trying to get a sense of comparable maintenance costs.

I'm aware that there are fewer moving parts etc, so in theory , there should be fewer. But maybe as it's heavier the suspension might give way more often? I don't know?

Does anyone have experience of the sort of things that can go wrong on EV's? Also has anyone read anything about whether any makes are better than others in this regard? Thanks as ever

Servicing should be significantly cheaper. My new(-ish now) VW ID3 has service intervals of 18,000 miles or every 2 years. Every single ICE I've ever lived with has had a maximum interval of 1 year or 10,000 miles at best.
 






Paulie Gualtieri

Bada Bing
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May 8, 2018
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I keep hearing "about £1000" mentioned as the cost these days.
Was "about £600" two years ago, but I don't know if that was because there was a subsidy which has now been withdrawn, perhaps.
I used our salary sacrifice scheme at work with Octopus and the repainted a free home charger (Ohme home or Zappi) or 4,000 miles worth on a public network.

I paid an extra £99 to get the Ohme pro (tethered so comes with a cable installed) which I can’t fault. The installer said they cost around £750 to £800 on the open market last summer
 


dazzer6666

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Mar 27, 2013
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Burgess Hill
Servicing should be significantly cheaper. My new(-ish now) VW ID3 has service intervals of 18,000 miles or every 2 years. Every single ICE I've ever lived with has had a maximum interval of 1 year or 10,000 miles at best.
My diesel BMW is next scheduled in Sept 2026 or 16,000 miles (which is typical, usually around 18 months), our leccy runabout is 12 months (both just been serviced)
 


JJ McClure

Go Jags
Jul 7, 2003
11,288
Hassocks
Considering an EV through my work's salary sacrifice scheme and having been in 3 different Uber's last weekend I was able to do a quick review
Best - Hyundai Ionic 5. Very nice car indeed as it ought to be for the price. Good quality feel. Driver very pleased with it.
Mid - Kia eNiro. Nice if slightly dark interior, dash looked smart and good quality although steering wheel looked a bit...odd
Last - MG5. Smaller screens and some cheap feeling interior plastics, but comfortable and a reasonable sized boot. Good budget option.
 




JJ McClure

Go Jags
Jul 7, 2003
11,288
Hassocks
I used our salary sacrifice scheme at work with Octopus and the repainted a free home charger (Ohme home or Zappi) or 4,000 miles worth on a public network.

I paid an extra £99 to get the Ohme pro (tethered so comes with a cable installed) which I can’t fault. The installer said they cost around £750 to £800 on the open market last summer
Will have to check out if my SS scheme at work does that, as its one of the things that's putting me off committing at the moment.
 


GOM

living vicariously
Aug 8, 2005
3,290
Leeds - but not the dirty bit
It's a weird one, because a few years ago, I would've said this sort of technology would be a game-changer for all EV drivers. However, having lived with EVs for a good few years, a lot of the time (not all and clearly not everyone), there isn't the desperate need to fully recharge a battery as quickly as humanly possible.

Many EV drivers take advantage of cheap electricity overnight and, when not doing that, a lot of them fit in charging around work, meetings, natural breaks in their day or something else. Sure, there are ALWAYS going to be instances where people want to be able to recharge in a matter of minutes, but charging times are coming down naturally all the time as the technology matures and develops.

I dunno, I could be completely wrong, but I can't see them being the dominant form of charging, compared with the likes of 350kW units that are growing rapidly in numbers right now. Plus, I'm guessing you'll be paying a MASSIVE premium for the convenience and I think many drivers will be happy to take a bit more time :shrug:
I totally agree. Charging speeds, the state of the infrastructure etc. is a very much a concern for those thinking of making the switch to an EV. However once you have had one for a while and you are over the initial period of micro thinking about everything, it suddenly dawns on you that you are just driving it like any other car and don't even think about it any more.
 


Audax

Boing boing boing...
Aug 3, 2015
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Uckfield
My diesel BMW is next scheduled in Sept 2026 or 16,000 miles (which is typical, usually around 18 months), our leccy runabout is 12 months (both just been serviced)
Never owned a diesel (or a BMW).

I suspect, however, that we're going to be seeing EV servicing intervals shift longer over time. But it'll depend on manufacturer a bit. In many cases service intervals are set shorter than they need to be, because it's the regular servicing where the dealers make their money. That's a lot harder to justify for EVs though, because they simply don't need anywhere near as much regular maintenance. Fewer moving parts, less fluids to be changed, etc etc.
 




dazzer6666

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Mar 27, 2013
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Burgess Hill
Never owned a diesel (or a BMW).

I suspect, however, that we're going to be seeing EV servicing intervals shift longer over time. But it'll depend on manufacturer a bit. In many cases service intervals are set shorter than they need to be, because it's the regular servicing where the dealers make their money. That's a lot harder to justify for EVs though, because they simply don't need anywhere near as much regular maintenance. Fewer moving parts, less fluids to be changed, etc etc.
Maybe, but trying to imply ICE maintenance schedules are no longer than 12 months was misinformation - it's simply not true (now - 10+ years ago maybe)
 


dazzer6666

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Mar 27, 2013
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I totally agree. Charging speeds, the state of the infrastructure etc. is a very much a concern for those thinking of making the switch to an EV. However once you have had one for a while and you are over the initial period of micro thinking about everything, it suddenly dawns on you that you are just driving it like any other car and don't even think about it any more.
Disagree - it's much easier to drive ! It's a glorified golf buggy.
 
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Audax

Boing boing boing...
Aug 3, 2015
3,429
Uckfield
Maybe, but trying to imply ICE maintenance schedules are no longer than 12 months was misinformation - it's simply not true (now - 10+ years ago maybe)
I didn't "try to imply" anything. I talked about my own personal experience - and as such everything I said was true. I appreciate you providing your own experience and insight. That's a cornerstone of effective discussions like this - there's no need to go looking for ulterior motives.
 




Dave the OAP

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Jul 5, 2003
47,158
at home
If rumours of its impending demise circulates and its stock value plummets, do i take it swasticars will become virtually worthless?
 




Algernon

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Sep 9, 2012
3,438
Newmarket.
Hopefully.
Tesla = This generation's Ratner's Jewellers.
Albeit on a more astronomical scale.

As the flames rose to his nazi nose and his empire started to melt.
 






Greg Bobkin

Silver Seagull
May 22, 2012
17,496
Got this for a couple of days. Starts at around £22k and c.200 miles of range. It's bloody good and a fun little car. Renault is gonna sell them by the bucketload!

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