[Albion] Fabian Hurzeler: IN or OUT

[Commander]

Its all so very very strange that this poll even exists.

I went on the Bournemouth site and couldn't find an Iraola OUT poll or any thread calling for his head. But Bournemouth have 49 points, just the one more than us.,

I went on the Fulham site and couldn't find a Silva OUT poll or any thread calling for his head. But Fulham have 48 points, exactly the same as us.

I went on the Brentford site and couldn't find a Frank OUT poll or any thread calling for his head. But Fulham have 46 points, two less than us.

And yet all three of those managers are way more experienced, with multiple seasons honing their craft at the top level, building their team in the Premier League over multiple transfer windows.

Its not even as if we're having a worst season than last year, we're doing better in both league and domestic cups, and yet we're the club with 7 or 8 threads on the front page calling for our managers head after just 30 games in charge and a perfectly decent record.

Not sure what this says about the NSC fanbase. Maybe its a good thing that we're so demanding of instant success. But I can't help thinking it really isn't.

And yet I have been told time and time again on here that our fanbase is no different to any other. Just like how the moaning groaning Amex crowd is not a factor in our home performances.

 

[Flounce]

Those calling for his head will tell you (over and over) that they can't see what he is trying to do and don't understand his tactics.

They will also tell you that injuries are not an issue for our team and they don't make any difference to his tactics or playing style.

Maybe the other fans can see what their managers are trying to do because their managers have been at the clubs longer and/or they have less injuries.

Part of the problem is that it doesn't take many fans calling for a manager's head to make us all look a bit silly.

I think it is also to do with the way we have gained our points this season, we have had long good periods followed by long bad ones. Sometimes it is hard to keep an eye on the bigger picture. Again, I would suggest that this is to do with our injuries, unfortunately I think we are in for a bad run in and our some of our fans are going to be a bit tetchy.

On thing that is lacking from our discussion is the notion that our manager should be given another transfer window or two to see how he goes.

The vote split and the number of votes would suggest it’s a worthwhile poll

 

[Hometownglory]

Its all so very very strange that this poll even exists.

I went on the Bournemouth site and couldn't find an Iraola OUT poll or any thread calling for his head. But Bournemouth have 49 points, just the one more than us.,

I went on the Fulham site and couldn't find a Silva OUT poll or any thread calling for his head. But Fulham have 48 points, exactly the same as us.

I went on the Brentford site and couldn't find a Frank OUT poll or any thread calling for his head. But Fulham have 46 points, two less than us.

And yet all three of those managers are way more experienced, with multiple seasons honing their craft at the top level, building their team in the Premier League over multiple transfer windows.

Its not even as if we're having a worst season than last year, we're doing better in both league and domestic cups, and yet we're the club with 7 or 8 threads on the front page calling for our managers head after just 30 games in charge and a perfectly decent record.

Not sure what this says about the NSC fanbase. Maybe its a good thing that we're so demanding of instant success. But I can't help thinking it really isn't.

It's also interesting that their fans sing their managers name. We don't, perhaps there is something missing. Was there RDZ out threads like this? I can't remember.

 

[Klaas]

Injuries are an excuse, and a bloody good one.

Right? What a stupid thing to say (that they are not).

 

[Bold Seagull]

In my opinion , a Dunk and JPVH partnership if played with the right tactics is still a top half pairing

Bart can be a top 6 keeper but isn't at the moment.

Our current centre mid of baleba and any one other from o'reilly, ayari etc should be top 8

Our current wingers should be top 6

Our current full backs are lower half based on what's available although pervis should be a top 8 but isn't at the moment

Our forwards on paper are a top 8 but one of them isn't performing to his best/isn't played in his best position

Put that together and given how others teams are performing we should be between 6th and 8th in my view if we make the most of what we have and look to minimise the pressure on full backs. Before injuries we have a side good enough for between 4th and 6th so across the season we should be top 6. That we aren't means the players and manager have underperformed so far.

That we hadn't replaced lallana and gross or bought a centre back who can play the FH way also means to a degree that Weir has underperformed too

That's not a case of being entitled but I've been round the block enough to not have blue and white specs either.

Some big statements there. Baleba is great, but not sure we’re a top 8 centre midfield with a.n.other in there.

Forwards, Welbeck 34, Pedro and Georginio looking good but top 8, really? Where does that put Watkins/Rogers, Wood/GibbsW, Mbuemo/Wissa, Kluivert/Semenyo, Jimenez/Iwobi, Mateta/Eze.

The margins between quite a few teams are tiny, a single mistake, a bit of confidence, an untimely injury is the difference between kicking on to top 8 or staring outside the top 10.

Not really sure how you’ve objectively come up with these statements?

 

[Milano]

It's also interesting that their fans sing their managers name. We don't, perhaps there is something missing. Was there RDZ out threads like this? I can't remember.

Both of those teams have significantly improved under their current managers, that’s why.
We haven’t, in fact just the opposite, that’s why.
Hope that helps.

 

[Deadly Danson]

It's also interesting that their fans sing their managers name. We don't, perhaps there is something missing.

I've wondered this all season. I simply could never understand why we have never sung FHs name. He started amazingly well - a 4-1 away win for goodness sake and he came over and acknowledged the fans but nothing. We've rarely been out of the top 10 and during good wins home and away a chant has never really materialised. I get that he's perhaps not as charismatic as RDZ but he supports the club's vision, never whinges or blames the ref or injuries and has done fine. I also get that we've had some crushingly disappointing results and some of the football hasn't been exciting but I do feel that, as fans, we could have done so much more to create a better atmosphere for him but then we could barely muster a Pascal Gross chant during his time here and he's now considered a legend. I guess we just have pretty apathetic, reactive rather than proactive fans.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

It’s all so very very strange that this poll even exists.

I went on the Bournemouth site and couldn't find an Iraola OUT poll or any thread calling for his head. But Bournemouth have 49 points, just the one more than us.,

I went on the Fulham site and couldn't find a Silva OUT poll or any thread calling for his head. But Fulham have 48 points, exactly the same as us.

I went on the Brentford site and couldn't find a Frank OUT poll or any thread calling for his head. But Fulham have 46 points, two less than us.

And yet all three of those managers are way more experienced, with multiple seasons honing their craft at the top level, building their team in the Premier League over multiple transfer windows.

Its not even as if we're having a worst season than last year, we're doing better in both league and domestic cups, and yet we're the club with 7 or 8 threads on the front page calling for our managers head after just 30 games in charge and a perfectly decent record.

Not sure what this says about the NSC fanbase. Maybe its a good thing that we're so demanding of instant success. But I can't help thinking it really isn't.

Very good post, but just to put over an alternative viewpoint.

All of those teams play a better quality of football than us and out of possession have a clear defensive structure which is difficult to beat. I think football fans generally are happier, if they can see a clear pattern (‘identity’) of play, rather than in our case at times what looks like complete chaos.

None of those teams, have spent £200m, even if some of it was on promising investments (which by definition are also gambles), but most of which have not yielded a swift return. I do like @Commander give it a year theory which makes sense, but does not take into account that this year was a real opportunity, but of course nobody could have foreseen the poor quality of the league this year.

Their fanbase perhaps have slightly lower expectations than ours. We always have a discussion that Europe has actually spoiled us in some respects, it was an amazing experience and naturally we want more but our expectations are now raised. Fulham haven’t been there for ?15 years plus, Bournemouth, Brentford and Palace never, so arguably like us under RdZ they are enjoying the ride.

The fact their managers are more experienced is a good point, but perhaps that is part of the problem. Was the FH appointment wrong to begin with?
Silva and Iraola are better managers and IMO, would have done more with our team than FH.

I think the fact NSC seem split on FH which for a manager relatively early on in his Albion career is not a good thing, says a lot. There are a lot of sensible posters debating from completely different standpoints and I would say that is fairly significant as well.

 

[Deadly Danson]

Both of those teams have significantly improved under their current managers, that’s why.
We haven’t, in fact just the opposite, that’s why.
Hope that helps.

Not good enough. We're supposed to be fans. I don't remember Moder doing much but he got a chant. As did f***ing Ansu Fati.

 

[Flounce]

Very good post, but just to put over an alternative viewpoint.

All of those teams play a better quality of football than us and out of possession have a clear defensive structure which is difficult to beat. I think football fans generally are happier, if they can see a clear pattern (‘identity’) of play, rather than in our case at times what looks like complete chaos.

None of those teams, have spent £200m, even if some of it was on promising investments (which by definition are also gambles), but most of which have not yielded a swift return. I do like @Commander give it a year theory which makes sense, but does not take into account that this year was a real opportunity, but of course nobody could have foreseen the poor quality of the league this year.

Their fanbase perhaps have slightly lower expectations than ours. We always have a discussion that Europe has actually spoiled us in some respects, it was an amazing experience and naturally we want more but our expectations are now raised. Fulham haven’t been there for ?15 years plus, Bournemouth, Brentford and Palace never, so arguably like us under RdZ they are enjoying the ride.

The fact their managers are more experienced is a good point, but perhaps that is part of the problem. Was the FH appointment wrong to begin with?
Silva and Iraola are better managers and IMO, would have done more with our team than FH.

I think NSC seem split on FH which for a manager relatively early on in his Albion career is not a good thing, but there are a lot of sensible posters debating from completely different standpoints and I would say that is fairly significant as well.

Excellent post

No discernible, to me anyway, fluid tactics and an apparent refusal to change things when we are constantly exposed in the same way game after game, is what worries me most about FH. Matters not what I think as TB makes the decisions but this is a football forum, luckily we don’t all sing from the same hymn sheet, and can have alternative views about the way forward.

 

[Milano]

I've wondered this all season. I simply could never understand why we have never sung FHs name. He started amazingly well - a 4-1 away win for goodness sake and he came over and acknowledged the fans but nothing. We've rarely been out of the top 10 and during good wins home and away a chant has never really materialised. I get that he's perhaps not as charismatic as RDZ but he supports the club's vision, never whinges or blames the ref or injuries and has done fine. I also get that we've had some crushingly disappointing results and some of the football hasn't been exciting but I do feel that, as fans, we could have done so much more to create a better atmosphere for him but then we could barely muster a Pascal Gross chant during his time here and he's now considered a legend. I guess we just have pretty apathetic, reactive rather than proactive fans.

Away from home = no way.
At home = fair point. But that’s on our CEO IMO and his mission to sterilise and ‘control’ everything. Young fans being priced out in favour of corporate and tourist. Dicks Bar going to accommodate a larger club shop tells me all I need to know. Not a dig, he’s doing his job and actually doing it well. I hate it though.

 

[jackalbion]

I've wondered this all season. I simply could never understand why we have never sung FHs name. He started amazingly well - a 4-1 away win for goodness sake and he came over and acknowledged the fans but nothing. We've rarely been out of the top 10 and during good wins home and away a chant has never really materialised. I get that he's perhaps not as charismatic as RDZ but he supports the club's vision, never whinges or blames the ref or injuries and has done fine. I also get that we've had some crushingly disappointing results and some of the football hasn't been exciting but I do feel that, as fans, we could have done so much more to create a better atmosphere for him but then we could barely muster a Pascal Gross chant during his time here and he's now considered a legend. I guess we just have pretty apathetic, reactive rather than proactive fans.

Huerzler is a terrible name to get into a chant that’s why. There also isn’t many (if any) other clubs who sing their chairman’s name at games. I think there is a very clear difference between us and Bournemouth, Brentford and Fulham which @Milano has outlined. People keep on saying we need to look at the bigger picture, I’m not seeing any bigger picture whatsoever with this manager. I agree about moaning and groaning home fans affecting the players and I think that’s a club wide mentality problem in some games, as well as the fact that a lot of fans at the home just don’t give a shit. I haven’t watched much of the others three but I imagine that their players are giving or at least look like they are giving more a shit than ours.

 

[Milano]

Not good enough. We're supposed to be fans. I don't remember Moder doing much but he got a chant. As did f***ing Ansu Fati.

Ah right, so this is all because FH doesn’t have a chant? That’s why we have no shape or structure and he’s trying to continue with tactics that the players available struggle with, over and over.
Post of the decade this one…….

 

[jackalbion]

Not good enough. We're supposed to be fans. I don't remember Moder doing much but he got a chant. As did f***ing Ansu Fati.

I’m sorry but whether a player gets a chant means absolutely nothing.

 

[Hamilton]

I've wondered this all season. I simply could never understand why we have never sung FHs name. He started amazingly well - a 4-1 away win for goodness sake and he came over and acknowledged the fans but nothing. We've rarely been out of the top 10 and during good wins home and away a chant has never really materialised. I get that he's perhaps not as charismatic as RDZ but he supports the club's vision, never whinges or blames the ref or injuries and has done fine. I also get that we've had some crushingly disappointing results and some of the football hasn't been exciting but I do feel that, as fans, we could have done so much more to create a better atmosphere for him but then we could barely muster a Pascal Gross chant during his time here and he's now considered a legend. I guess we just have pretty apathetic, reactive rather than proactive fans.

Did we ever sing Potter’s name? Or Hughton’s?

I wonder if they suffer because we have a Tony Bloom fixation?

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

I’m sorry but whether a player gets a chant means absolutely nothing.

“If O’Grady scores were on the pitch”

Still a chant even if ironic

 

[Flounce]

“If O’Grady scores were on the pitch”

Still a chant even if ironic

Reminded me of “Barker’s scored a goal, he’s scored a goal” which I thought quite cruel at the time

 

[jackalbion]

“If O’Grady scores were on the pitch”

Still a chant even if ironic

Someone started “If Cashin scores we’re on the pitch at the weekend”, does that mean he’s more revered than Pascal? No.

 

[oldboyroy]

Its all so very very strange that this poll even exists.

I went on the Bournemouth site and couldn't find an Iraola OUT poll or any thread calling for his head. But Bournemouth have 49 points, just the one more than us.,

I went on the Fulham site and couldn't find a Silva OUT poll or any thread calling for his head. But Fulham have 48 points, exactly the same as us.

I went on the Brentford site and couldn't find a Frank OUT poll or any thread calling for his head. But Fulham have 46 points, two less than us.

And yet all three of those managers are way more experienced, with multiple seasons honing their craft at the top level, building their team in the Premier League over multiple transfer windows.

Its not even as if we're having a worst season than last year, we're doing better in both league and domestic cups, and yet we're the club with 7 or 8 threads on the front page calling for our managers head after just 30 games in charge and a perfectly decent record.

Not sure what this says about the NSC fanbase. Maybe its a good thing that we're so demanding of instant success. But I can't help thinking it really isn't.

Maybe it's because we are bigger than the aforementioned Bournemouth Fulham and Brentford? Bigger stadium more money coming in therfore, expected to be better than those clubs?. Or, that they have an identity in their playing style, which we are still trying to work out?.
Out of all the games I've seen either live or TV, i still think Bournemouth have been the best side we've played this season over 90 mins both home and away yet we did the double over them.

 

[One Teddy Maybank]

Someone started “If Cashin scores we’re on the pitch at the weekend”, does that mean he’s more revered than Pascal? No.

If Cashin plays we’re on the pitch?