[Football] Five minute stoppage yesterday

[PascalGroß Tips]

Usually need to donate to charity if they break the fast for any reason. There are also certain conditions that allow the fast to be broken

Correct ... anyone missing needs to pay Fidya (not just 'say a prayer') - https://www.islamic-relief.org.uk/giving/islamic-giving/ramadan/fidya/

I'd question how 'devout' the Muslims that @Kuipers Supporters Club is referring to ... unless they were:

• Young children.
• The elderly who are medically unable to fast
• Sick people.
• Those who are pregnant.
• Those who are nursing.
• Those who are menstruating.
• People travelling long distances.

In addition ...

"Fidya is paid for deliberately missing a fast with a valid reason to do so, however, Kaffarah is only paid if you break a fast without a valid reason. The amount paid in Fidya for each missed fast is equivalent to feeding one person. However, when paying Kaffarah, the payment for is the equivalent of feeding 60 people".

I would suggest that a practising (devout) Muslin would not want to break fast for a frivolous reason ... including playing a football match.

 

[WATFORD zero]

More fools them. Intelligent people really do believe all this stuff? Amazing.

And apparently, intelligent people don't fall for stupid, Islamophobic trolls.

Now that's truly amazing

https://www.northstandchat.com/search/18270955/?q=islam&c[users]=goldstone&o=date

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

Correct ... anyone missing needs to pay Fidya (not just 'say a prayer') - https://www.islamic-relief.org.uk/giving/islamic-giving/ramadan/fidya/

I'd question how 'devout' the Muslims that @Kuipers Supporters Club is referring to ... unless they were:

• Young children.
• The elderly who are medically unable to fast
• Sick people.
• Those who are pregnant.
• Those who are nursing.
• Those who are menstruating.
• People travelling long distances.

In addition ...

"Fidya is paid for deliberately missing a fast with a valid reason to do so, however, Kaffarah is only paid if you break a fast without a valid reason. The amount paid in Fidya for each missed fast is equivalent to feeding one person. However, when paying Kaffarah, the payment for is the equivalent of feeding 60 people".

I would suggest that a practising (devout) Muslin would not want to break fast for a frivolous reason ... including playing a football match.

Absolutely 100% devout. I’ve asked him what the prayer is and will post it here.

It’s in their holy book as he read it to me.

But the above quoted post shows there is a way around fasting, it’s not black and white as some posters have suggested.

 

[PascalGroß Tips]

Absolutely 100% devout. I’ve asked him what the prayer is and will post it here.

It’s in their holy book as he read it to me.

But the above quoted post shows there is a way around fasting, it’s not black and white as some posters have suggested.

I expect in addition to the prayer, they should also pay Fidya or Kaffarah. All I'm trying to say that a devout Muslim wouldn't just make a frivolous decision to break fast. Breaking it because it suits you and just saying a prayer just doesn't seem right from my understanding ... and also what's on the Islamic Relief website.

 

[dazzer6666]

I expect in addition to the prayer, they should also pay Fidya or Kaffarah. All I'm trying to say that a devout Muslim wouldn't just make a frivolous decision to break fast. Breaking it because it suits you and just saying a prayer just doesn't seem right from my understanding ... and also what's on the Islamic Relief website.

That’s what I had explained to me too.

 

[the wanderbus]

Stopping a game for footballers to break their fast doesn’t bother me in the slightest….. football managers using the break in play for a bit of touch line coaching does.

 

[Han Solo]

Stopping a game for footballers to break their fast doesn’t bother me in the slightest….. football managers using the break in play for a bit of touch line coaching does.

Probably should be a pause like that in all games that could go to 120 minutes.

 

[the wanderbus]

Probably should be a pause like that in all games that could go to 120 minutes.

There is between full time and extra time and after 15 minutes of extra time.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Of course the fans should have been told. No explanation is inexcusable.

well not really.

There have been several occasions where an extended break in play has happened, that isn't immediately obvious.
There is never an explanation for those.

In this case it was communicated before the game apparently, so even less need to inform anyone in the stadium.

 

[Stato]

Stopping a game for footballers to break their fast doesn’t bother me in the slightest….. football managers using the break in play for a bit of touch line coaching does.

Don't think Forest gained much from Nuno saying 'Right lads, gather round and listen... Do the same thing we've been doing in every match since August.'

 

[dsr-burnley]

Correct ... anyone missing needs to pay Fidya (not just 'say a prayer') - https://www.islamic-relief.org.uk/giving/islamic-giving/ramadan/fidya/

I'd question how 'devout' the Muslims that @Kuipers Supporters Club is referring to ... unless they were:

• Young children.
• The elderly who are medically unable to fast
• Sick people.
• Those who are pregnant.
• Those who are nursing.
• Those who are menstruating.
• People travelling long distances.

In addition ...

"Fidya is paid for deliberately missing a fast with a valid reason to do so, however, Kaffarah is only paid if you break a fast without a valid reason. The amount paid in Fidya for each missed fast is equivalent to feeding one person. However, when paying Kaffarah, the payment for is the equivalent of feeding 60 people".

I would suggest that a practising (devout) Muslin would not want to break fast for a frivolous reason ... including playing a football match.

This particlular site (which may not be representative of all of Islam, I wouldn't know) is absolutely specific in saying that you mustn't break the fast early for work reasons. To the extent that if you can't do your job properly without eating or drinking, you need to get a different job or take leave of absence, and if that isn't possible or you can't get a different job, you should flee to a country where conditions are easier.

Is it permissible for him to break his fast because his work is difficult? - Islam Question & Answer

islamqa.info

 

[Super Steve Earle]

Must admit, neither I nor anyone around me had a clue what the break was for. There were, however some mutterings about why the long water break and what was going on. It was weird. Clearly plenty of people, judging by this thread, we're fully aware what was going on but equally, some fans did not. It just seems to me absolutely common sense to inform the fans what is happening. Every Premier League ground has huge screens to communicate to the fans. Why weren't they used to explain from the moment it started? We have so much messaging not to discriminate and to respect other races, colours, religions sexuality and points of view and yet nobody thinks what a great opportunity to put a helpful explainer on the big screens as they left the pitch. It surely does not matter who agrees or disagrees or thinks people should have known or googled it or whatever. If they had used the the screens, all 30,000 odd fans would have known that was happening, why it was happening and for those who weren't aware of Ramadan at all, a great opportunity to learn something new. I can't see any positive aspects to keeping us in the dark as the break took place.

 

[dazzer6666]

This particlular site (which may not be representative of all of Islam, I wouldn't know) is absolutely specific in saying that you mustn't break the fast early for work reasons. To the extent that if you can't do your job properly without eating or drinking, you need to get a different job or take leave of absence, and if that isn't possible or you can't get a different job, you should flee to a country where conditions are easier.

Is it permissible for him to break his fast because his work is difficult? - Islam Question & Answer

islamqa.info

Changing countries wouldn't normally change an individual's religious belief or conformance.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Must admit, neither I nor anyone around me had a clue what the break was for. There were, however some mutterings about why the long water break and what was going on. It was weird. Clearly plenty of people, judging by this thread, we're fully aware what was going on but equally, some fans did not. It just seems to me absolutely common sense to inform the fans what is happening. Every Premier League ground has huge screens to communicate to the fans. Why weren't they used to explain from the moment it started? We have so much messaging not to discriminate and to respect other races, colours, religions sexuality and points of view and yet nobody thinks what a great opportunity to put a helpful explainer on the big screens as they left the pitch. It surely does not matter who agrees or disagrees or thinks people should have known or googled it or whatever. If they had used the the screens, all 30,000 odd fans would have known that was happening, why it was happening and for those who weren't aware of Ramadan at all, a great opportunity to learn something new. I can't see any positive aspects to keeping us in the dark as the break took place.

Great post

A simple message on the big screens would have been both helpful and educational. No way would it have led to any kind of disrespect from the stands other than from the usual tiny minority of pissed-up/coked-up wankers. Opportunity missed by the club, sadly

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Not getting into the rights and wrongs on here, but it certainly didn't help us, as we were very much on top and in the ascendancy at the time.

 

[Hovegull]

Great post

A simple message on the big screens would have been both helpful and educational. No way would it have led to any kind of disrespect from the stands other than from the usual tiny minority of pissed-up/coked-up wankers. Opportunity missed by the club, sadly

Judging by some of the attitudes in this thread though, it seems that they would have opened the possibility of some abuse. And why, in this instance, should the players breaking their fast be subjected to any kind of taunts. Just let them get on with what they need to do with some dignity. Not everything that happens on the pitch gets communicated, and people are generally unbothered by that.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Judging by some of the attitudes in this thread though, it seems that they would have opened the possibility of some abuse. And why, in this instance, should the players breaking their fast be subjected to any kind of taunts. Just let them get on with what they need to do with some dignity. Not everything that happens on the pitch gets communicated, and people are generally unbothered by that.

Sorry, disagree. Why leave probably in excess of 90% of those in the stadium completely blindsided by what looked for all the world like some weird 5 minute drinks break barely 10 minutes into the second half when the players had barely had time to break sweat? The club is normally top-notch at communication, but sadly on this occasion they failed abysmally

 

[pigmanovich]

The club is normally top-notch at communication, but sadly on this occasion they failed abysmally

Shirley if anyone it's the FA who deserve to be criticized on this front rather than the clubs?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Shirley if anyone it's the FA who deserve to be criticized on this front rather than the clubs?

Why?

The Football Association's fifth-round fact sheet states: "Players observing Ramadan will be permitted a short pause in play to break their fast.

"An approximate time will be agreed when the pause will take place, and it will not be used as a team drinks break or tactical time-out."

That's all good.

All the club had to do was communicate that information to those in the stadium. In the event it clearly was used as both 'a team drinks break and tactical time-out'. Which just makes it worse

 

[pigmanovich]

Why?

The Football Association's fifth-round fact sheet states: "Players observing Ramadan will be permitted a short pause in play to break their fast.

"An approximate time will be agreed when the pause will take place, and it will not be used as a team drinks break or tactical time-out."

That's all good.

All the club had to do was communicate that information to those in the stadium. In the event it clearly was used as both 'a team drinks break and tactical time-out'. Which just makes it worse

In my mind it’s something the ref would have announced rather than something we would declared over the tannoy - maybe there could have been a note about it in the program but I’m not sure it would have been noticed by most in the ground.