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Gus Poyet - right or wrong?
- Thread starter Richard Hebberd's Syrup
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That paper is disgusting, anyone who buys into their drivel is a complete comatose kvnt
Rusthall Seagull
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don't bite your tongue, say what you need to.
arfer guinness
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- Feb 15, 2007
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Cannot be bothered to read 17 pages of comments so I may be repeating some views. Gus said nothing wrong, Evra is pathatic. He sounds like a little child in the school playground reporting the nasty boy who called him a name.
I now have a horrible fear of us drawing Man U at home in the 3rd round of the cup... and loads of our fans start booing Evra in a misplaced display of loyalty to Gus! Not saying we shouldn't be loyal to Gus, by the way, i think we've got to know him enough to know that he sometimes he loves to rabble on into all sorts of territories when interviewed, coming out with things that don't entirely mean what he intend them to mean... which is sort of what i think has happened here.
manutd_gone_wild
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- Nov 18, 2011
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you make Whiton & Hove supporters proud
Shaz
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Totally agree. He is the child in the playground that always tries to get other kids in trouble. He has probably never abused anyone in his life!!!!
Shooting Star
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Eh? I meant our club, as in we are Brighton fans, and Brighton is our club. Didn't mean it to sound pompous.
After listening to Gus on TalkSport, I definitely see where he's coming from, though admittedly he dug himself a hole and probably uses personal experience a little too much. I guess firstly, why should we automatically presume Suarez is guilty? Gus obviously knows Suarez and if he believes he isn't racist, then he's going to back his countryman. Also our ignorance of other cultures is one of the classic English traits that I hate. Latin America has a far greater history of dealing with other races than we do, and therefore they have terms which may translate differently in this country. Like Poyet said this morning, he's been in this country for a long time and thus has adapted to our customs, whereas Suarez hasn't. I think Gus has chosen his wording poorly (i.e. cry baby) and shouldn't assume just because he put up with racism, others should. But I believe he has a point and shouldn't be vilified for what to some extent could be sensible comments, depending on the conclusion of the Suarez/Evra incident. He just should have kept out of it IMO.
Shaz
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What a very intelligent comment, how old are you?
Rusthall Seagull
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absolutely spot on.
manutd_gone_wild
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Shaz
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Totally agree, this is one of the most sensible quotes ive read all day
Common as Mook
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- Jul 26, 2004
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My opinion on this and the wider issue for what's it worth. I've tried to stay out of the "football/race" conversations as much as possible, but what Gus has said actually struck a chord with me.
Some on here will know, I'm from a mixed race background. I have also played football at various levels from Sunday League in Brighton to rural backwater leagues in Bristol and Cornwall. During 15 or so years I have encountered racial abuse. I wouldn't say it was regular but it certainly was more regular than I would have liked. What Gus said struck a chord because the thing that was furthest from mind was reporting the issue to the local FA or the police. I'd much prefer to smash the perpatrator in the next tackle or deliver a cheeky 'accidental' elbow in the next header. On my part, that is probably the wrong course of action, but that is me and how I would have dealt with the situation. I feel a little (and I stress the word little) uneasy with people who havent suffered this abuse telling me how I should and shouldn't react to racist abuse.
The whole thing has got totally out of hand. Of course, any racism or generalisation has absolutely no place in football, but there needs to be a certain amount of 'manning' up that goes with it. The thing about the two high profile cases at the moment that grates with me at the moment is the club/personal rivalry that is tagged along with it. Would Evra have complained so vehemently had it been, for example, a Wolves player? Would Anton and QPR made such a deal of it had it been an Aston Villa player who hadn't disposed his brother as England captain? I may be being unfair here, but something just doesn't sit right....
All this being said; I am livid that Poyet has even needed to say anything about this. We have a MASSIVE game tomorrow and it has diverted from this. It is fairly clear that he isn't a racist. Stupid, and outdated maybe; but not a racist.
Some on here will know, I'm from a mixed race background. I have also played football at various levels from Sunday League in Brighton to rural backwater leagues in Bristol and Cornwall. During 15 or so years I have encountered racial abuse. I wouldn't say it was regular but it certainly was more regular than I would have liked. What Gus said struck a chord because the thing that was furthest from mind was reporting the issue to the local FA or the police. I'd much prefer to smash the perpatrator in the next tackle or deliver a cheeky 'accidental' elbow in the next header. On my part, that is probably the wrong course of action, but that is me and how I would have dealt with the situation. I feel a little (and I stress the word little) uneasy with people who havent suffered this abuse telling me how I should and shouldn't react to racist abuse.
The whole thing has got totally out of hand. Of course, any racism or generalisation has absolutely no place in football, but there needs to be a certain amount of 'manning' up that goes with it. The thing about the two high profile cases at the moment that grates with me at the moment is the club/personal rivalry that is tagged along with it. Would Evra have complained so vehemently had it been, for example, a Wolves player? Would Anton and QPR made such a deal of it had it been an Aston Villa player who hadn't disposed his brother as England captain? I may be being unfair here, but something just doesn't sit right....
All this being said; I am livid that Poyet has even needed to say anything about this. We have a MASSIVE game tomorrow and it has diverted from this. It is fairly clear that he isn't a racist. Stupid, and outdated maybe; but not a racist.
Daffy Duck
Stop bloody moaning!
Evra is no angel.
He was the player who instigated the walk-out by the French national team at the last world cup and got banned by French football association for his behaviour.
He was the player who instigated the walk-out by the French national team at the last world cup and got banned by French football association for his behaviour.
Exactly this.
That changes everything then.
Arthur
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United fan on TalkSport this morning made a valid point that coloured is an acceptable term over here but not in the US. Is that any different to what Poyet is saying?? Are we guilty of double standards?
Just a quick point. What a picture this is to use on a racism row article. Genuis.
Gus Poyet prepared for court to prove Luis Suarez is no racist | Mail Online
Fair play to the mail there, they couldn't have chosen a better picture.