portslade seagull
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The trouble now is the IDF are too gung ho hence the killing of three of their own. They will have an internal inquiry and wishy washy it away or blame someone else.
Not quite the type of ‘immediate ceasefire’ the majority of the UN have been calling for - rather ‘calling for’ a long-term ‘ceasefire’ as part of a ‘sustainable solution’ - the UK is just saying it supports a ceasefire if we find a peaceful solution to the Palestinian issue and Hamas stops attacking Israel: As the foreign Secretary said at the UN Assembly on FridayThe UK has now called for a ceasefire, saying that “too many civilians have been killed."
Israel-Gaza war: UK and Germany call for ‘sustainable’ ceasefire
UK foreign minister David Cameron and German counterpart Annalena Baerbock say goal must be peace lasting ‘generations’www.theguardian.com
Surely a ceasefire cannot be just Israel ceases and Hamas still fires ?Not quite the type of ‘immediate ceasefire’ the majority of the UN have been calling for - rather ‘calling for’ a long-term ‘ceasefire’ as part of a ‘sustainable solution’ - the UK is just saying it supports a ceasefire if we find a peaceful solution to the Palestinian issue and Hamas stops attacking Israel: As the foreign Secretary said at the UN Assembly on Friday
”We have been clear that Israel must be targeted and precise in its efforts to address the threat posed by Hamas, and must minimise civilian casualties and protect civilian infrastructure in line with international humanitarian law. My Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary have repeatedly delivered this message to Israel, and will continue to do so…we support calls for a sustainable ceasefire, where hostages are released, more aid can get in and Hamas stops firing rockets into Israel.”
Politik-speak.
In the Sunday times today, David Cameron writes
"We do not believe that calling right now for a general and immediate ceasefire, hoping it somehow becomes permanent, is the way forward… Would Hamas stop firing rockets? Would it release the hostages? Would its murderous ideology change? An unsustainable ceasefire, quickly collapsing into further violence, would only make it harder to build the confidence needed for peace."
Politik-speak and prevarication…but reaffirming clear support for Israel to continue it’s war campaign against Hamas and not stopping until Hamas is destroyed - the UK, along with the US, committed to an open-ended and very possibly unachievable objective.
Now you’re getting it - what the UK is suggesting isn’t a ‘ceasefire’ but a one-sided situation “where hostages are released, more aid can get in and Hamas stops firing rockets into Israel.”Surely a ceasefire cannot be just Israel ceases and Hamas still fires ?
I've probably misunderstood you but both sides need to cease, surely ?
Another genius plan from "Call me" DaveNow you’re getting it - what the UK is suggesting isn’t a ‘ceasefire’ but a one-sided situation “where hostages are released, more aid can get in and Hamas stops firing rockets into Israel.”
It shows how hopelessly useless the US, and we, are in terms of global clout. Flat track bullies willing to pile into paces like Nicaragua (albeit this was decades ago) and later Iraq (then f*** it all up, leave without anything other that a trophy killing (Saddam) and a mess, ripe for the next wave of lunatics to establish themselves - hello ISIS!).Not quite the type of ‘immediate ceasefire’ the majority of the UN have been calling for - rather ‘calling for’ a long-term ‘ceasefire’ as part of a ‘sustainable solution’ - the UK is just saying it supports a ceasefire if we find a peaceful solution to the Palestinian issue and Hamas stops attacking Israel: As the foreign Secretary said at the UN Assembly on Friday
”We have been clear that Israel must be targeted and precise in its efforts to address the threat posed by Hamas, and must minimise civilian casualties and protect civilian infrastructure in line with international humanitarian law. My Prime Minister and Foreign Secretary have repeatedly delivered this message to Israel, and will continue to do so…we support calls for a sustainable ceasefire, where hostages are released, more aid can get in and Hamas stops firing rockets into Israel.”
Politik-speak.
In the Sunday times today, David Cameron writes
"We do not believe that calling right now for a general and immediate ceasefire, hoping it somehow becomes permanent, is the way forward… Would Hamas stop firing rockets? Would it release the hostages? Would its murderous ideology change? An unsustainable ceasefire, quickly collapsing into further violence, would only make it harder to build the confidence needed for peace."
Politik-speak and prevarication…but reaffirming clear support for Israel to continue it’s war campaign against Hamas and not stopping until Hamas is destroyed - the UK, along with the US, committed to an open-ended and very possibly unachievable objective.
I'm not sure I agree. Cameron using the word "ceasefire" is a strong sign that the government has run out of patience. Of course the language used in public is measured as Israel is an ally but you can bet that behind closed doors stronger words have been said.Now you’re getting it - what the UK is suggesting isn’t a ‘ceasefire’ but a one-sided situation “where hostages are released, more aid can get in and Hamas stops firing rockets into Israel.”
Anything less than that, the UK says would be ‘unsustainable‘ because Hamas would regroup and their ideology would remain
“We do not believe that calling right now for a general and immediate ceasefire, hoping it somehow becomes permanent, is the way forward… Would Hamas stop firing rockets? Would it release the hostages? Would its murderous ideology change?”
All people will see is the headlines that the UK is calling for a ‘ceasefire’ - it’s rubbish, the UK’s policy on supporting Israel hasn’t changed.
Unfortunately the only strong words Bibi takes note of are those of his minority government allies from the far right.I'm not sure I agree. Cameron using the word "ceasefire" is a strong sign that the government has run out of patience. Of course the language used in public is measured as Israel is an ally but you can bet that behind closed doors stronger words have been said.
I agree - but @Bakero is right in that the language being used does reflect a frustration at the numbers of civilian casualties continuing to mount and a growing rifts between Netanyahu and the Biden/Cameron position on Israel - it just hasn’t got to either calling for an immediate ceasefire though.Unfortunately the only strong words Bibi takes note of are those of his minority government allies from the far right.
"Uh-oh ............ it could be you, or it could be us, but there's no page here."I agree - but @Bakero is right in that the language being used does reflect a frustration at the numbers of civilian casualties continuing to mount and a growing rifts between Netanyahu and the Biden/Cameron position on Israel - it just hasn’t got to either calling for an immediate ceasefire though.
Biden has said as much in recent days, that Netanyahu right-wing government risks losing international support both for it’s war in Gaza and what happens after
sorry"Uh-oh ............ it could be you, or it could be us, but there's no page here."
Don't always get all the nuances of a politician's speech, but generally it looks to me like, "Well said, Sleepy Joe."sorry
Same story another source
Biden says Netanyahu ‘has to change,’ accuses Israel of ‘indiscriminate bombing’
The comments, delivered at a fundraiser, point to an emerging, potentially deep, divide.www.politico.com
I haven't taken sides in this war, because I think Israel has a case, and I also think the Palestinians have a case. Hamas are just terrorists.
Having said that, this deputy mayor has just outright lied, because Liberal MP Layla Moran has family sheltering in the Catholic church mentioned in this clip
You're always going on about Benjamin Netanyahu. Let it go, @ManOfSussex , you're never going to meet him
Read the post above mine you weirdo shape-shifter. You're all over the place on this thread, you don't seem to have any honestly-held stance on the issueI don’t know how anyone can think this post is an appropriate contribution to a very serious thread and just after someone’s posted images of the most awful destruction of civilian infrastructure imaginable.