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dazzer6666

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At the start of 2025 the market capitalisation of US equities was $62t, the LSE $4.9t. Because of years of LSE and European borse doldrums, global investors were drawn to largely American based funds. Even if it wasn’t apparent from the fund name.

The NASDAQ is now lower than a year ago, the S&P500 is getting close.
Well yes…..…..but the talk of ‘bloodbath’ etc is daft. Anyone (non expert) investing in equities should be taking a long term view. The fact is that this ‘disaster’ and ‘bloodbath’ has only knocked off the froth (which most thought was unsustainable anyway) of one year‘s growth in the S&P.
 




Smirko

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as stated above, as long as you are holding your nerve and in it for the long term the S&P 500 and FTSE etc will rebound always does. always will.
 


Weststander

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Well yes…..…..but the talk of ‘bloodbath’ etc is daft. Anyone (non expert) investing in equities should be taking a long term view. The fact is that this ‘disaster’ and ‘bloodbath’ has only knocked off the froth (which most thought was unsustainable anyway) of one year‘s growth in the S&P.

Based on normal periodic corrections.

Trump is going Smoot-Hawley.
 




BLOCK F

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It’s still higher than it was a year ago
For now.😉
Out of interest, the FTSE is down 6.9% on this time last year.
I am not daft, and at 76, I have been an investor for long enough to know not to panic and my remark re ‘bloodbath’ was tongue in cheek, however, none of us know quite how this extraordinary move by Trump will turn out and how long matters will take to settle. One thing is certain, it isn’t good news for the world economy or people’s investments.
Oh shit, we are a goal down already, but panic not!😁👍
 
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BLOCK F

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Based on normal periodic corrections.

Trump is going Smoot-Hawley.
I had to look Smoot-Hawley up!
Yes, I agree with your reply to Dazzer, who seems to be pretty relaxed about the whole tariff business, but, as you allude to, this is not a normal periodic correction and I think it has done rather more than, ‘knock off the froth’. The truth is no-one knows how this will all pan out.
Perhaps at 76 and as someone who depends on his SIPP and investments to boost our state pensions, I am rather more concerned than those who are younger.
 
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A mex eyecan

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Things could get better in 3.5 years
I had to look Smoot-Hawley up!
Yes, I agree with your reply to Dazzer, who seems to be pretty relaxed about the whole tariff business, but, as you allude to, this is not a normal periodic correction and I think it has done rather more than, ‘knock off the froth’. The truth is no-one knows how this will all pan out.
Perhaps at 76 and as someone who depends on his SIPP and investments for his income, I am rather more concerned than those who are younger.
Certainly a lot easier to be relaxed if you‘re 40’s, 50’s and probably still having an income as you’ve time to ride things out. When the income stream has gone, late 60’s and into 70+ it a different ball game.
 


Papa Lazarou

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Certainly a lot easier to be relaxed if you‘re 40’s, 50’s and probably still having an income as you’ve time to ride things out. When the income stream has gone, late 60’s and into 70+ it a different ball game.
Agreed. If you're drawing down from a pension pot these are worrying times
 




A mex eyecan

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Agreed. If you're drawing down from a pension pot these are worrying times
Hopefully these stupid tariffs won’t be in place for too long. Be interesting to hear how long the experts reckon it will take to get back to where things were if say tariffs were reversed in say 6 months time.
 




BLOCK F

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….but then if you were close to drawing down your pension pot you would have reduced the risk profile of your investments in the preceding years
Well, yes you are right, but If one remains in Drawdown and could possibly live another 25 /30 years, the advice is to keep a reasonable exposure to equities as markets will normally recover during that time. However, it is striking the balance that can be tricky. I do have some ‘safe’ fixed interest instruments and a decent cash buffer, but am quite reliant on income producing stocks and IT’s to top up our state pensions. If this was a normal market correction, I would be more relaxed than I am, at present, with a madman in charge of the US😱! Hopefully, sanity will, at some stage, prevail and some kind of normality will return.👍
 




LamieRobertson

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Well, yes you are right, but If one remains in Drawdown and could possibly live another 25 /30 years, the advice is to keep a reasonable exposure to equities as markets will normally recover during that time. However, it is striking the balance that can be tricky. I do have some ‘safe’ fixed interest instruments and a decent cash buffer, but am quite reliant on income producing stocks and IT’s to top up our state pensions. If this was a normal market correction, I would be more relaxed than I am, at present, with a madman in charge of the US😱! Hopefully, sanity will, at some stage, prevail and some kind of normality will return.👍
What percentage do you refer to as ‘reasonable’?

How did your portfolio cope with the pandemic correction?

personally as things stand today I’ve just lost whatever capital gain (on paper) that I made the preceding two months…..of course things could worsen…indeed I’d be surprised if they didn’t ….but then I have a certain amount in cash and hope to take advantage of lower prices…..no guarantees of course as timing is everything …for me it’ll be dripping in relatively small amounts
 
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BLOCK F

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What percentage do you refer to as ‘reasonable’?

How did your portfolio cope with the pandemic correction?

personally as things stand today I’ve just lost whatever capital gain (on paper) that I made the preceding two months…..of course things could worsen…indeed I’d be surprised if they didn’t ….but then I have a certain amount in cash and hope to take advantage of lower prices…..no guarantees of course as timing is everything …for me it’ll be dripping in relatively small amounts
Hi Lamie,
Bearing in mind I am just ordinary Joe Public and not a financial adviser, I suppose the answer is it depends on your age, attitude to risk, other sources of income you may have, how much of a cash buffer you have to draw on if you either want to reduce your SIPP withdrawals or even stop them for a period of time during a market downturn. I know that isn’t very helpful, but the main thing to avoid is having to sell holdings at a low price or even a loss, during said downturns. Besides having a completely separate cash buffer, to avoid having to sell holdings, I hold a cash balance in my SIPP equivalent to about 12% of the total value and this is topped up as the divis come in throughout the year. The balance goes up and down a bit as I take my monthly income. I take about 3.25/3.5% per annum of the total pot. Some people just take the natural yield. I would add that my equity exposure is probably too high for someone as ancient as me, but then again at 76, I may live another 25 years.( my old man lived to 102, and as a doctor, he had a good NHS pension and didn’t have to worry about SIPPs and horrible things like the stockmarket!😊)
My portfolios went down like everything else during the pandemic, but I can’t recall by how much; however, they recovered pretty quickly and were having a very good run up until the end of February this year. March wasn’t good and April has been horrible as we all know. My portfolios are now lower than they were this time last year, having been substantially up at the end of February!
Sorry if I haven’t answered your main question, but I’m not qualified to do so and may be talking a load of bo——ks, so please take professional advice if needed.
Good luck with your investing!👍
 
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Weststander

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I had to look Smoot-Hawley up!
Yes, I agree with your reply to Dazzer, who seems to be pretty relaxed about the whole tariff business, but, as you allude to, this is not a normal periodic correction and I think it has done rather more than, ‘knock off the froth’. The truth is no-one knows how this will all pan out.
Perhaps at 76 and as someone who depends on his SIPP and investments to boost our state pensions, I am rather more concerned than those who are younger.

Most investors are calm like @dazzer6666, “stick it a good low cost tracker and don’t veer from that path, it always comes good in the end” is widely the ethos.

But there are two things to add imho.
- sometimes there are opportunities when a huge prices bubble is building, to part profit take and buy back in a few months or short years later. Buffett recognised the obscene PE ratios of the Magnificent 7, he’s built 30% in cash or cash equivalents instead.
- occasionally a major event occurs such as the 2000 dotcom crash where some prices never recover, others take years to. Trump is destroying supply chains, trading relationships, increasing redtape across the world exponentially, nations such as Germany are saying it will cost them £100b’s. This has a feel of being longer term than the transient “we don’t know what to do” of March 2020.
 




Weststander

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….but then if you were close to drawing down your pension pot you would have reduced the risk profile of your investments in the preceding years

Many haven’t. The old advice of de-risking portfolios into mostly bonds and gilts as retirement approaches, was abandoned due to low returns and capital depreciation, and the lure of the Wall Street boom.
 


BLOCK F

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Feb 26, 2009
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Most investors are calm like @dazzer6666, “stick it a good low cost tracker and don’t veer from that path, it always comes good in the end” is widely the ethos.

But there are two things to add imho.
- sometimes there are opportunities when a huge prices bubble is building, to part profit take and buy back in a few months or short years later. Buffett recognised the obscene PE ratios of the Magnificent 7, he’s built 30% in cash or cash equivalents instead.
- occasionally a major event occurs such as the 2000 dotcom crash where some prices never recover, others take years to. Trump is destroying supply chains, trading relationships, increasing redtape across the world exponentially, nations such as Germany are saying it will cost them £100b’s. This has a feel of being longer term than the transient “we don’t know what to do” of March 2020.
I agree and that is a huge concern. My SIPP and our portfolios are largely constructed to provide a decent dividend income and my hope is that the divis stay largely intact during this Trump shitestorm. That may be a pretty big ask bearing in mind the problems, chaos and disruption that will no doubt ensue from the lunatic’s actions. I wonder how our American cousins will react when they see their 401k’s and other investments plummet!
It is a good thing that my wife and I don’t have a very expensive lifestyle!😊
 




LamieRobertson

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Feb 3, 2008
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Many haven’t. The old advice of de-risking portfolios into mostly bonds and gilts as retirement approaches, was abandoned due to low returns and capital depreciation, and the lure of the Wall Street boom.
I think the old 60/40 split should still be at least looked at

as an aside it’s perhaps not a good time for Rachel formerly of complaints to be reducing the amount you can pay into cash Isa’s and wanting them to go the Stocks route
 




LamieRobertson

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Feb 3, 2008
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SHOREHAM BY SEA
Hi Lamie,
Bearing in mind I am just ordinary Joe Public and not a financial adviser, I suppose the answer is it depends on your age, attitude to risk, other sources of income you may have, how much of a cash buffer you have to draw on if you either want to reduce your SIPP withdrawals or even stop them for a period of time during a market downturn. I know that isn’t very helpful, but the main thing to avoid is having to sell holdings at a low price or even a loss, during said downturns. Besides having a completely separate cash buffer, to avoid having to sell holdings, I hold a cash balance in my SIPP equivalent to about 12% of the total value and this is topped up as the divis come in throughout the year. The balance goes up and down a bit as I take my monthly income. I take about 3.25/3.5% per annum of the total pot. Some people just take the natural yield. I would add that my equity exposure is probably too high for someone as ancient as me, but then again at 76, I may live another 25 years.( my old man lived to 102, and as a doctor, he had a good NHS pension and didn’t have to worry about SIPPs and horrible things like the stockmarket!😊)
My portfolios went down like everything else during the pandemic, but I can’t recall by how much; however, they recovered pretty quickly and were having a very good run up until the end of February this year. March wasn’t good and April has been horrible as we all know. My portfolios are now lower than they were this time last year, having been substantially up at the end of February!
Sorry if I haven’t answered your main question, but I’m not qualified to do so and may be talking a load of bo——ks, so please take professional advice if needed.
Good luck with your investing!👍
Not qualified, but you certainly seem to have a ’feel’ for how things work…..markets hate uncertainty and there’s a lot of it at the moment….fortunately I’m not totally reliant on the income generated by my ISA ..though this will change in the coming years ….i had meant to build up a holding in an ETF that goes up when the market goes down….kicking myself now and instead will probably trim a few positions tomorrow …as part of capital preservation, accepting that I’ll still ‘lose’ on paper re the remainder of my portfolio

well done your Dad….mine died at 93 which I consider to be a ripe old age …he had a great pension having been with one company for most of his working life ..no need for getting involved with the stock market….cash went into a building society, with a passbook!
 




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