[Football] Statistics thread

[Home and Away]

I'm sure there are several of us that are interested in statistics and data in addition to what we see with our own eyes watching football. I thought it would be nice to have a thread where we can post random football related statistics.

I'll start....

I made a quick calculation on points per team divided by market values of the PL squads (20/04/2025).

Thoughts? Obvious one for me is that the so called 'big six' was always going to be at the bottom with their expensive (or overpriced) players.. And maybe not suprisingly either the success stories of the season of Bournemouth, Fulham and Forest are at the top. Evreton perhaps surpisingly high.

 

[jcdenton08]

What’s the source for each squad’s market values?

 

[London Irish]

Squad values are an interesting metric but I think wages are more telling - I suspect we’d be even higher than 9th on that performance scale but that’s a guess. Probably why Fab doesn’t deserve to be shot out of the cannon just yet, not this season at least

 

[AstroSloth]

Squad values are an interesting metric but I think wages are more telling - I suspect we’d be even higher than 9th on that performance scale but that’s a guess. Probably why Fab doesn’t deserve to be shot out of the cannon just yet, not this season at least

Based on most recent wage figures I think we're 15th in the league. Given that it's a pretty decent performance but only tells part of the story of course.

 

[dazzer6666]

Squad values are an interesting metric but I think wages are more telling - I suspect we’d be even higher than 9th on that performance scale but that’s a guess. Probably why Fab doesn’t deserve to be shot out of the cannon just yet, not this season at least

More telling indeed - 15th according to FBRef (great source of a huge range of detailed stats, although when it comes to wages don’t know what their source is).

Premier League | FBref.com

Check out {stat_type} for the 2023-2024 Premier League season.

fbref.com

 

[The Optimist]

£ per point (by wages) table is:

Brentford £0.9m
Forest £1.1m
Bournemouth £1.1m
Brighton £1.3m
Fulham £1.4m
Wolves £1.5m
Ipswich £1.6m
Palace £1.6m
Liverpool £1.7m
Newcastle £1.7m
Everton £1.9m
Aston Villa £1.9m
West Ham £2.5m
Arsenal £2.7m
Spurs £2.8m
Chelsea £3.2m
Man City £3.5m
Leicester £3.6m
Man Utd £4.8m
Southampton £5.1m

This is based on the salary figures in the post above, I did the sums on my phone so could have made the odd mistake and where teams are level I haven’t checked the figures to more accuracy and the order is arbitrary (except for Palace who I absolutely decided should go below Ipswich).

 

[The Optimist]

More telling indeed - 15th according to FBRef (great source of a huge range of detailed stats, although when it comes to wages don’t know what their source is).

Premier League | FBref.com

Check out {stat_type} for the 2023-2024 Premier League season.

fbref.com

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The figures below are from Give Me Sport

1. Manchester City £215,540,000
2. Arsenal £172,146,000
3. Manchester United £171,210,000
4. Chelsea £160,680,000
5. Liverpool £128,804,000
6. Aston Villa£119,964,000
7. Tottenham Hotspur £110,656,000
8. West Ham United £100,100,000
9. Newcastle United £93,132,000
10. Everton £72,462,000
11. Fulham £68,406,000
12. Crystal Palace £67,210,000
13. Nottingham Forest £63,492,000
14. Leicester City £62,816,000
15. Brighton & Hove Albion £57,746,000
16. Wolverhampton Wanderers £54,782,000
17. Bournemouth £49,764,000
18. Southampton £48,906,000
19. Brentford £41,496,000
20. Ipswich Town £37,856,000

 

[Home and Away]

What’s the source for each squad’s market values?

Transfermarkt. Not obviously gospel, but quite comprehensive and at least gives a good ball park figure.

 

[Weststander]

The payroll cost data people are reproducing here are baloney (in the sauce websites). Only trust @El Presidente, SwissRamble and CIES.

The actual annual costs:
ManC £413m
Liverpool £386m
ManU £353m
Arsenal £315m
Chelsea £296m
Villa £252m
Spurs £216m
Newcastle £186m (but a year behind in filing accounts)
Forest £166m
West Ham £159m
Everton £157m
Fulham £155m
Albion £142m
Wolves £141m
Bournemouth £136m
CP £134m
Southampton £121m
Brentford £114m
Leicester £107m
Ipswich £45m …. obviously Championship wages.

We’re lucky 13th.

 

[El Presidente]

The payroll cost data people are reproducing here are baloney (in the sauce websites). Only trust @El Presidente, SwissRamble and CIES.

The actual annual costs:
ManC £413m
Liverpool £386m
ManU £353m
Arsenal £315m
Chelsea £296m
Villa £252m
Spurs £216m
Newcastle £186m (but a year behind in filing accounts)
Forest £166m
West Ham £159m
Everton £157m
Fulham £155m
Albion £142m
Wolves £141m
Bournemouth £136m
CP £134m
Southampton £121m
Brentford £114m
Leicester £107m
Ipswich £45m …. obviously Championship wages.

We’re lucky 13th.

Those figures are more fictional than an MP’s expenses claim

 

[Hiheidi]

Lots of stats in here.

 

[Weststander]

Those figures are more fictional than an MP’s expenses claim

Who’s been lying to Companies House? Abu Dhabi with hidden remuneration paid overseas?

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

I’d really like to see stats for each player’s win/draw/loss percentage this season.

Webster will come out on top comfortably. Rutter probably second. Maybe Veltman third. Lamptey potentially a surprise package.

Anyone know if this is easily available anywhere?

 

[WASH]

So from the records I have for this season this is the 'table' of win% for the players when they've started a game. (40 games, Lge & Cup)
* The Notts. Forest FA Cup game I've classed as a draw as that's how it ended after ET.

 

[WASH]

And here's the one showing results when a player scores :

 

[Bodian]

So from the records I have for this season this is the 'table' of win% for the players when they've started a game. (40 games, Lge & Cup)
View attachment 200391

Oh dear - five of the bottom six are new signings....

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

So from the records I have for this season this is the 'table' of win% for the players when they've started a game. (40 games, Lge & Cup)
View attachment 200391

Brilliant - thank you.

Further underlines how much FH struggles to find a system that works without Webster, Veltman/Lamptey and Rutter.

Sad that Dunk has the highest loss percentage. He must know the correlation in results between him in the side/not in the side. Confidence must be suffering massively.

 

[Jimmy Grimble]

Oh dear - five of the bottom six are new signings....

But the two signings with a more reasonable sample size (Minteh and Rutter) are in the top 5 of players with 10+ starts.

 

[Weststander]

So from the records I have for this season this is the 'table' of win% for the players when they've started a game. (40 games, Lge & Cup)
* The Notts. Forest FA Cup game I've classed as a draw as that's how it ended after ET.
View attachment 200391

I’ve often wanted to see this exact type of data eg to see if we win far more when God (Velts) starts at RB. Confirmed.

No surprise about Rutter and Webster too.

Thank you.

 

[Gwylan]

Brilliant - thank you.

Further underlines how much FH struggles to find a system that works without Webster, Veltman/Lamptey and Rutter.

Also, what a loss Milner was at the start of the season. He was our first choice midfielder at the outset and his non-availability has certainly had an adverse effect