Syria vote Labour demands evidence

[Soulman]

This will not be a war, did I not just say that? Please show me a post when I said anything but I think the Assad regime did it, I think they will do it again if we do not reduce their ability to do it again. I want very few boots on the ground, just the specialists that are already there marking targets and gaining intelligence, not any kind of invasion.
I want military action even smaller than what was done in Libya, even one attack could do the job if carefully planned. I just want Assad to stop using these weapons, he has even worse stuff and I can see him using if he is not stopped.

And you think that if he is stopped, by "ONE attack carefully planned"......that would be the end of it eh?

 

[LargeHadronZugzwang]

How many times do we have to listen to the lies emanating from the media?
Blowing up of the Maine, Gulf of Tonkin, Iraq WMD....and countless other examples starting wars. Enough is enough with these lies. Roger Waters said it right;

Just love those laser-guided bombs, they're really great for righting wrongs.

 

[martyn20]

And you think that if he is stopped, by "ONE attack carefully planned"......that would be the end of it eh?

Totally, in fact Obama is having trouble getting any support for any kind of action. You honestly thing Obama wants the same as McCain, a wider region wide attack? Even supporters of John McCain think that is insane.
Obama has stopped one war, and is stopping another and after that you really think he wants to start another years long conflict no one in his country or almost every other country wants right now.
This is not about taking sides in civil war, if it was that we would not have sat back and watched it for 2 years, this is about a chemical weapons attack on a city which killed 1400 men woman and children.
This is not about starting a wider war in the middle east, why would he be pulling thousands and thousands of troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan to send them to Syria? Why?

 

[martyn20]

How many times do we have to listen to the lies emanating from the media?
Blowing up of the Maine, Gulf of Tonkin, Iraq WMD....and countless other examples starting wars. Enough is enough with these lies. Roger Waters said it right;

Just love those laser-guided bombs, they're really great for righting wrongs.

So this attack did not happen? Just media hype?

 

[Soulman]

Totally, in fact Obama is having trouble getting any support for any kind of action. You honestly thing Obama wants the same as McCain, a wider region wide attack? Even supporters of John McCain think that is insane.
Obama has stopped one war, and is stopping another and after that you really think he wants to start another years long conflict no one in his country or almost every other country wants right now.
This is not about taking sides in civil war, if it was that we would not have sat back and watched it for 2 years, this is about a chemical weapons attack on a city which killed 1400 men woman and children.
This is not about starting a wider war in the middle east, why would he be pulling thousands and thousands of troops out of Iraq and Afghanistan to send them to Syria? Why?

I stand by what i said. "And you think that if he is stopped, by "ONE attack carefully planned"......that would be the end of it eh?"
Other countries, allies of the government, would just do nothing......... i think you are wrong, dangerously wrong.

 

[martyn20]

I stand by what i said. "And you think that if he is stopped, by "ONE attack carefully planned"......that would be the end of it eh?"
Other countries, allies of the government, would just do nothing......... i think you are wrong, dangerously wrong.

I said earlier it is very difficult to judge how other countries will act, I was talking about the US in the last few posts. We have seen Iran threaten to protect Syria if they are attacked but just a few years ago their sworn enemy Israel made a large but one off attack inside Syria and they did nothing. Difficult to predict anything right now. But again should that stop you doing the right thing as a human being?

 

[Soulman]

I said earlier it is very difficult to judge how other countries will act, I was talking about the US in the last few posts. We have seen Iran threaten to protect Syria if they are attacked but just a few years ago their sworn enemy Israel made a large but one off attack inside Syria and they did nothing. Difficult to predict anything right now. But again should that stop you doing the right thing as a human being?

I am no more convinced this week that the Syrian government are all to blame. To act like you want to, means that you are taking the side of the Rebels. Rebels that i believe are as bad as the government. I'm afraid these Middle East countries do not want peace, they continuously fight amongst themselves, the West's intervention just makes matters worse imo.

In short.
"TONY Blair has insisted it was the way he turned post-invasion Iraq into an utter hellhole that stopped MPs from backing war in Syria.

The former prime minister denied there was a ‘trust issue’ caused by the ultimate absence of Iraqi WMDs, adding: “So far there hasn’t been anything like ’15 minutes’ or ‘yellow cake uranium’ that people could dismiss as obviously and insultingly untrue.

“What MPs were worried about is Syria becoming like Iraq, in the sense that it’s a tribal and sectarian nightmare and you can’t go to the shops without being blown to smithereens.

“I really don’t see what the problem is.”

He added: “MPs used to vote for war at the drop of a hat. Now it’s all about consequences and learning lessons.

“What a pile of shit.”
http://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/...her-massive-****-ups-says-blair-2013090679218

 

[martyn20]

I am no more convinced this week that the Syrian government are all to blame. To act like you want to, means that you are taking the side of the Rebels. Rebels that i believe are as bad as the government. I'm afraid these Middle East countries do not want peace, they continuously fight amongst themselves, the West's intervention just makes matters worse imo.

I don't think you give 'these Middle East countries' enough credit or respect.

 

[Albion Dan]

So this attack did not happen? Just media hype?

The attack happened. Who did it is still completely unproven and after the Iraq WMD claim how can anyone trust western intelligence or media anymore?

 

[martyn20]

Especially when the truth is so obvious this time.

That is totally the last thing the truth is in this case!

 

[Soulman]

I don't think you give 'these Middle East countries' enough credit or respect.

My Dad was in the Army, fought in Malaya, in another war that was sod all to do with us.
I remember when i was about 4 years younger than you 16, i was worried about the Russians (the Cold War) the Japanese WW3 etc. My Dad who was just an ordinary guy, said "Don't worry about them, the next major war will be in the Middle East....he died in 1978.
I have very little respect or credit for people that treat women, gays, non Muslim and people so poorly. Until their OWN people can drag themselves into the 21st century, our intervention for financial gain will not help.....or be appreciated quite frankly.

 

[The Truth]

I think people are actually starting to wake up!
2 years ago, if you'd mentioned governments working alongside terrorist organisations, someone would of passed judgment on your mental health!

 

[martyn20]

My Dad was in the Army, fought in Malaya, in another war that was sod all to do with us.
I remember when i was about 4 years younger than you 16, i was worried about the Russians (the Cold War) the Japanese WW3 etc. My Dad who was just an ordinary guy, said "Don't worry about them, the next major war will be in the Middle East....he died in 1978.
I have very little respect or credit for people that treat women, gays, non Muslim and people so poorly. Until their OWN people can drag themselves into the 21st century, our intervention for financial gain will not help.....or be appreciated quite frankly.

My online name has been martyn20 since 2002 and I was 32 then!
So what you are saying is you want people in the middle east to live their lives like us, whether you like what they do or believe in it's their choice isn't it?

 

[martyn20]

I think people are actually starting to wake up!
2 years ago, if you'd mentioned governments working alongside terrorist organisations, someone would of passed judgment on your mental health!

They still would, that is not happening here.

 

[Soulman]

My online name has been martyn20 since 2002 and I was 32 then!
So what you are saying is you want people in the middle east to live their lives like us, whether you like what they do or believe in it's their choice isn't it?

Jeez. I have not said that i want people in the Middle East to live like us. This is what i said.
"I have very little respect or credit for people that treat women, gays, non Muslim and people so poorly. Until their OWN people can drag themselves into the 21st century, our intervention for financial gain will not help.....or be appreciated quite frankly."

Are you being obtuse on purpose?
I understand you have a different opinion to me but please do not change the context of my post to fit your opinion.

 

[Soulman]

My online name has been martyn20 since 2002 and I was 32 then!
So what you are saying is you want people in the middle east to live their lives like us, whether you like what they do or believe in it's their choice isn't it?

My apologies, i wrongly assumed by your posts that you were a lot younger.....my mistake.

 

[martyn20]

Jeez. I have not said that i want people in the Middle East to live like us. This is what i said.
"I have very little respect or credit for people that treat women, gays, non Muslim and people so poorly. Until their OWN people can drag themselves into the 21st century, our intervention for financial gain will not help.....or be appreciated quite frankly."

Are you being obtuse on purpose?
I understand you have a different opinion to me but please do not change the context of my post to fit your opinion.

In what way do they not live in the 21st century now?

 

[martyn20]

My apologies, i wrongly assumed by your posts that you were a lot younger.....my mistake.

Now that's just rude

 

[portslade seagull]

Jeez. I have not said that i want people in the Middle East to live like us.

think you'll find they want to make us live like them, and they are slowly achieving it

 

[The Truth]

They still would, that is not happening here.

Get your head examined!