[Albion] Brentford - away tickets

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Was not Was

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Jul 31, 2003
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This is probably a reflection of my innate hippiness, but I think it would be fair for some tickets to go in a ballot because some people’s circumstances mean they can’t accumulate loads of points no matter how dedicated they are.

I have almost no friends or family, a flexible job and expendable income, so I go to lots of games mainly for something to do and because I can. I know people who care about the Albion a lot more and I’d rather the tickets went to for high-demand games, for whom it’s a comparatively huge effort in terms of time, finances and kids. I get why they’re not in the same tier as a dork like me, but an element more chance would seem a bit fairer.
It really looks to me like people's differing views on the issue boil down to what they mean by "fair": rewarding loyalty/financial commitment, or being more inclusive, which means introducing more churn or randomness into ticket allocation. Different definitions, but both sides use the same word.
 




Gazwag

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Mar 4, 2004
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And you think that those that have previously 'not bothered' going should be entitled to join the top of the queue for, hopefully, European tickets next season! The high pointers, as you seem to want to call us, will be going to the final few games regardless of the points allocated because we go to support our team, not to accumulate loyalty points.
So if I'm reading that right you think your mate should have the same priority as someone who has had a season ticket for 8 years or more?
Sorry I don't mean that at all,, I should qualify my post that my "mate" is only 11 so its not that he hasn't bothered at all, and definitely should not jump up the list (I am a high pointer myself) I know, and I have told him so more than once that he is very lucky to have started this journey now and I'm pleased he stood and suffered Forest as that nearest he's come to what us oldies have had to put up and will make him appreciate the rest more. He know he won't get to the London games for maybe 3 or 4 years but I can see Wolves selling out quickly, which will be his last chance this season, and that will be because of the possibility of Europe again (ole ole).
 


Gazwag

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Said it before, I’ll say it again. I struggle with the points harvesting thing, am I right in thinking there are people that only go to an away match so they can get sufficient points to go to an away match?
Maybe it does't happen much, but when you see people on here saying people turn up at turnstiles and have three or four tickets in their hands to put though the system and how many do take the risk and pass on their tickets to others once they have tickets in hand :shrug:
 


BNthree

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Said it before, I’ll say it again. I struggle with the points harvesting thing, am I right in thinking there are people that only go to an away match so they can get sufficient points to go to an away match?

:ROFLMAO:

Do know a few people that are STH and do a few aways a season anyway that have started doing a few more because of the points. So the matches they were umming and ahhing about the lure of 15 points persuaded them to go. Obviously they go to support the team but matches they might not bothered about previously they now do.
 


studio150

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The biggest problem now is the possibility of Europe meaning those in the top tiers will continue to purchase away tickets when they might not have bother going - I think a fairer system for the final few games is to give ZERO points so its not as attractive for the high pointers to give lower tiers the chance
And what about the points at the start of next season with Europe confirmed.

What next deducting 400 points from everyone who currently has 650 points+ because they have attended too many games and therefore stopped the people in T2 or lower getting tickets for Bournemouth, Palace, Brentford
 




BNthree

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Maybe it does't happen much, but when you see people on here saying people turn up at turnstiles and have three or four tickets in their hands to put though the system and how many do take the risk and pass on their tickets to others once they have tickets in hand :shrug:

Saw it at the Sheff Utd cup match last season. Guy in front of me at Bramall Lane had about 4 tickets he was scanning but a steward thought he had a problem and came over to help him so he got flustered and dashed through the turnstile. This was around the time the Europa tickets were going on sale and folks were trying to get their points up.
 


Beanstalk

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Apr 5, 2017
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I agree its fair to a point - what IMO is not so fair is the 200 point STH points which make it easy to get to the top bracket if you have been a long term STH. I have been taking a new STH to away games we can get ticket for this season, he has managed to accumulated 110 points (once City is added) but will still be in the bottom STH bracket for a couple more years until he has build up enough HOME STH points. That's what isn't right that somebody can attend no away matches all season but still possibly be in a higher bracket than somebody who does do the hard yards.
I'm not sure how that is unfair? That new STH has been to far less matches over the last 8 years than the STH with 200 points. Over the next 7 years, they will continue to accumulate points, and providing they go to the less popular aways, be very quickly into the upper two tiers. By season 4 they should be well above 200 points and in priority tier 3 or 2 during that season.

Ultimately though, I don't think we've had many aways sell out at tier 3, it tends to be tier 2 or all STHs, so there isn't really any tangible difference between having 218 points (currently) and 110 points. Neither would stand a chance for the popular games.
 


Beanstalk

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And what about the points at the start of next season with Europe confirmed.

What next deducting 400 points from everyone who currently has 650 points+ because they have attended too many games and therefore stopped the people in T2 or lower getting tickets for Bournemouth, Palace, Brentford
To be fair, that's likely just one person and we should probably do that because he's responsible for the trains being a bit crap (@jackalbion)
 




Dave the hatosaurus

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The biggest problem now is the possibility of Europe meaning those in the top tiers will continue to purchase away tickets when they might not have bother going - I think a fairer system for the final few games is to give ZERO points so its not as attractive for the high pointers to give lower tiers the chance
Now i may be wrong but i would think most of the fans in the highest point brackets will go irrespective of the points on offer because they simply want to watch and support the team. Maybe the zero points idea would be useful if applied to games with reduced allocation i.e. Brentford and Bournemouth as even if that did not put many off it would at least mean that the higher points people would not be getting even further ahead of others that have no chance of getting to those games.
 


dazzer6666

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Said it before, I’ll say it again. I struggle with the points harvesting thing, am I right in thinking there are people that only go to an away match so they can get sufficient points to go to an away match?
I don’t know any. We have an increasing away support because it’s enjoyable and - suspect a lot are like I was…..once you’ve been to one or two you want more, and those numbers are growing as our ‘yoof’ support grows. Good football (mostly) and the atmosphere is usually much, much better than a home game.
 


dazzer6666

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Maybe it does't happen much, but when you see people on here saying people turn up at turnstiles and have three or four tickets in their hands to put though the system and how many do take the risk and pass on their tickets to others once they have tickets in hand :shrug:
Genuinely never seen that :shrug:
 




PILTDOWN MAN

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Milano

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I only have two away points/tickets things that I really strongly disagree with, the 1901 thing, that's wrong IMO but it's the club's decision, and the scanning multiple tickets, anyone caught doing this should result in losing ALL their points and so should everyone named on the other tickets.

Whether someone gets cheap/free travel, has more money to spend or time than someone else is irrelevent, if you've been to the games and put in the miles then you deserve the points.

I find the multiple device login thing lazy by the club (probably the ticket booking software company), you would think that could easily be stopped (and should be).
 


dazzer6666

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I only have two away points/tickets things that I really strongly disagree with, the 1901 thing, that's wrong IMO but it's the club's decision, and the scanning multiple tickets, anyone caught doing this should result in losing ALL their points and so should everyone named on the other tickets.

Whether someone gets cheap/free travel, has more money to spend or time than someone else is irrelevent, if you've been to the games and put in the miles then you deserve the points.

I find the multiple device login thing lazy by the club (probably the ticket booking software company), you would think that could easily be stopped (and should be).
Should be a simple login control….’you’re logged in on another device, cannot sign in’ :shrug:
 




drew

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I only have two away points/tickets things that I really strongly disagree with, the 1901 thing, that's wrong IMO but it's the club's decision, and the scanning multiple tickets, anyone caught doing this should result in losing ALL their points and so should everyone named on the other tickets.

Whether someone gets cheap/free travel, has more money to spend or time than someone else is irrelevent, if you've been to the games and put in the miles then you deserve the points.

I find the multiple device login thing lazy by the club (probably the ticket booking software company), you would think that could easily be stopped (and should be).
Agree with all that. I also think there should be more checking of tickets by the club at the away turnstile. I keep getting emails about random ID checks but so far have never seen one!!
 


dazzer6666

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Agree with all that. I also think there should be more checking of tickets by the club at the away turnstile. I keep getting emails about random ID checks but so far have never seen one!!
Me neither. Had to collect it from the ticket office with ID once, that’s all.
 


Uh_huh_him

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Sep 28, 2011
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:ROFLMAO:

Do know a few people that are STH and do a few aways a season anyway that have started doing a few more because of the points. So the matches they were umming and ahhing about the lure of 15 points persuaded them to go. Obviously they go to support the team but matches they might not bothered about previously they now do.
if you're close to T1 then there's definitely an incentive to do a few more aways to push yourself up the ladder.

I missed out on bournemouth by half a dozen points-ish this season.
I definitely have done a few more games since then to try and make sure I don't miss out next season.
 


Beach Hut

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Jul 5, 2003
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Agree with all that. I also think there should be more checking of tickets by the club at the away turnstile. I keep getting emails about random ID checks but so far have never seen one!!
Only been ID checked once, Liverpool this season bar the obvious checks at CPFC away which were about as rigorous as the Covid certification checking
 




Professor Plum

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Me neither. Had to collect it from the ticket office with ID once, that’s all.
I was asked for photo ID recently at (I think) the Forest game, as was everyone going into that turnstile. Not sure if it was just a temporary 5-
minute spot check on everyone before they moved to another turnstile, or what. I had the impression at the time it was Forest security but would they care? Maybe it was Albion guys. Anyway, only time I’ve been asked.
 


drew

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Only been ID checked once, Liverpool this season bar the obvious checks at CPFC away which were about as rigorous as the Covid certification checking
Never had an ID check outside the ground other than, as you say, Palace. Once had to collect tickets at the Etihad but that was around the first year they brought it in.
 


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