[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[The Clamp]

Well this headline is interesting.



It's a Ukrainian independent media channel, and Mrs listened and told me what's alleged more fully.

They have contacts in government and it alleges the US have drawn up two sanctions lists. Smaller of 17 people, all of those around Zelenskyy, and a much larger one that includes many people involved in construction companies or in Ukrainian energy infrastructure companies and most of Ukraines wider political class.

They are privately threatening to sanction if they don't get their economic rape/extortion deal.

One of the other potentially interesting things they highlight, are 2 people not on the sanctions lists.

Davyd Arakhamia is the parliamentary faction leader of Zelenskyys "servant of the people" party and he's not on either list, and is well known to be good friends with Donald Trump Junior.

And on the wider list, also missing is former President Poroshenko, who it's well documented was one of those the US privately tapped up a few weeks back after the oval office hatchet job.

The guy in video asks if it is Arakhmia and/or Poroshenko who have helped draw up these lists?

How accurate, who knows, but interesting.

What was I just saying?

 

[The Clamp]

It’s Ukraine Vs USA & Russia.

 

[SouthSaxon]

It’s Ukraine Vs USA & Russia.

This is still the US trying to bully Ukraine into a minerals deal, not offering direct support to Russia. “Chatting shit”, as I put it earlier.

We’ve been saying on this thread for weeks that Trump doesn’t do alliances, this is more evidence of that.

 

[peterward]

It’s Ukraine Vs USA & Russia.

I don't think its USA yet, but definitely Trump and many of the MAGA freaks around him. There's still plenty on the republican side who will be for Ukraine and against Putin.

Will any of them have the courage to stand up to this dangerous nonsense?

Democrats seem all at sea, rudderless and are a bit reminiscent of Labour a few years back and current Tories.

Trump wants to help Putin win then sign loads of commercial deals with him imho.

He's happy to consign millions of Ukrainians to a Russian hellscape if he profits.

All his talk of peace is BS. Trumps 1-2-3 stage plan is to extort Ukraine and have them as a quasi colony and subservient to US, with US economic control, then hand Putin some sort of victory
that Ukraine can't resist then getting fully into bed with Putin financially.

Just yesterday he slammed Zelenskyy for asking to buy 50B worth of air defence systems that only stops Russian missiles killing Ukrainians in Ukrainian cities.

Trump is on Russias side right now

 

[Binney on acid]

Well yes. It will be ignored by Ukraine and most of the rest of the world.

Which won’t stop Russia and the U.S. making life Hell for Ukraine.

Life is already hell for Ukrainians.

 

[The Clamp]

Life is already hell for Ukrainians.

Yes. And Russia and the US are not going to stop.

 

[raymondo]

Let's hope the opposition win the Hungarian 2026 election, because Orban is still blocking key EU support for Ukraine - or, EU, change your voting system.

 

[fly high]

Let's hope the opposition win the Hungarian 2026 election, because Orban is still blocking key EU support for Ukraine - or, EU, change your voting system.

But why wait till 20th May. If they have to have a meeting call an emergency one. Get on with it.

 

[raymondo]

But why wait till 20th May. If they have to have a meeting call an emergency one. Get on with it.

Yep.

 

[raymondo]

Many aspects to this war - electronic systems are also critical,and Ukraine just destroyed a couple of Russia's.

 

[papachris]

Let's hope the opposition win the Hungarian 2026 election, because Orban is still blocking key EU support for Ukraine - or, EU, change your voting system.

Kaja Kallas was previously our Estonian prime minister. Extremely outspoken against Russia. Putin put her on his 'list' ages ago.
In the current situation it's definitely good to have someone like her in the EU.

 

[Eric the meek]

Kaja Kallas was previously our Estonian prime minister. Extremely outspoken against Russia. Putin put her on his 'list' ages ago.
In the current situation it's definitely good to have someone like her in the EU.

I would imagine that being the Estonian PM right on the front line against Russia, is just about the perfect grounding for her role in the EU.

She is first class.

 

[raymondo]

Maybe this can be geolocated...

 

[raymondo]

This sucking up to Trump just confuses me. Surely it just belittles Europe's own strength. We don't need to be rude about Trump, but there's no reason to suck up to him IMO. Maybe Europe is now playing 4D chess.

 

[peterward]

This sucking up to Trump just confuses me. Surely it just belittles Europe's own strength. We don't need to be rude about Trump, but there's no reason to suck up to him IMO. Maybe Europe is now playing 4D chess.

I thought Rutte would be a decent appointment with many of his stances as Dutch PM, but he's a definite downgrade.

Weak, sycophantic and not the strong decisive leader NATO need right now.

Ben Wallace would've been perfect imho.

 

[SouthSaxon]

This sucking up to Trump just confuses me. Surely it just belittles Europe's own strength. We don't need to be rude about Trump, but there's no reason to suck up to him IMO. Maybe Europe is now playing 4D chess.

But that wasn’t all he said. I’ve not found a full video (yet) but more quotes here…

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/natos-rutte-visits-odesa-says-support-ukraine-unwavering-2025-04-15/

 

[raymondo]

I thought Rutte would be a decent appointment with many of his stances as Dutch PM, but he's a definite downgrade.

Weak, sycophantic and not the strong decisive leader NATO need right now.

Ben Wallace would've been perfect imho.

I agree , I've been disappointed as I hoped for Stoltenberg- like continuity . Yes,far too sycophantic. He's the head of NATO so shouldn't act subserviently toward Trump.

 

[fly high]

This sucking up to Trump just confuses me. Surely it just belittles Europe's own strength. We don't need to be rude about Trump, but there's no reason to suck up to him IMO. Maybe Europe is now playing 4D chess.

Trump can easily sack him if he doesn't say the right thing.

 

[raymondo]

But that wasn’t all he said. I’ve not found a full video (yet) but more quotes here…

https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/natos-rutte-visits-odesa-says-support-ukraine-unwavering-2025-04-15/

Thanks. That is a better overall tone and balance .

 

[raymondo]

Trump can easily sack him if he doesn't say the right thing.

He'll be off to El Salvador if he doesn't tread carefully .