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[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)







A1X

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If Trump starts sanctioning Ukrainians then f*** it, let’s sanction him.

Wave your golf courses goodbye Donny, John Swinney owns them now as Scottish first minister.
 




papachris

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I would imagine that being the Estonian PM right on the front line against Russia, is just about the perfect grounding for her role in the EU.

She is first class.
I am English but live here with my Estonian Mrs. The Estonians are incredibly passionate about their own identity and culture. 1991 still in the fairly recent past when they regained their independence from the Soviet Union and they don't want to give that up for sure.
 


Binney on acid

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Kaja Kallas was previously our Estonian prime minister. Extremely outspoken against Russia. Putin put her on his 'list' ages ago.
In the current situation it's definitely good to have someone like her in the EU.
I have nothing but admiration for this woman. The voice of reason and compassion.

Hopefully she's in a more influential position than she was as Estonian prime minister.

If only she could be cloned !
 






















raymondo

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Apr 26, 2017
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Important content as always from Broe - I'm halfway through:
EDIT: Please watch this to the end - Jake believes Trump will normalise sending lower 'level' people to El Salvador without due process, then it's very likely he'll go after anyone he wants in a year: politicians, writers, YouTubers, journos... anyone he wants to disappear.
- Trump blames Ukraine again,and says Sumy strike was a mistake
- Zelenskiy retweets and thanks all the world leaders that issued messages of support and condolence for the Sumy murders. Trump and Vance visible by their absence.
- Zelenskiy requests to BUY ten Patriot air defence systems for $15 billion (money and jobs for America). Trump says...no 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️
- US military supplies, approved by Biden administration, have nearly run out. Maybe the pretense of sucking up to Trump can soon stop.
- Trump threatens to pull the license of CBS for its 90 minute interview with Zelenskiy
- EU diplomats issued with burner phones to prevent the US confiscating their official phones (if they visit the US ) and sharing security info with Russia. (Good!!! EU getting more serious)
- Russian state TV mocks Trump, his administration and Americans for voting for Trump. They state clearly that Russia will NEVER. ally itself with the US, even with Trump there.
What the hell has Putin got over Trump to be confident to state that publicly??
 
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Triggaaar

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Important content as always from Broe - I'm halfway through:
EDIT: Please watch this to the end - Jake believes Trump will normalise sending lower 'level' people to El Salvador without due process, then it's very likely he'll go after anyone he wants in a year: politicians, writers, YouTubers, journos... anyone he wants to disappear.
- Trump blames Ukraine again,and says Sumy strike was a mistake
- Zelenskiy retweets and thanks all the world leaders that issued messages of support and condolence for the Sumy murders. Trump and Vance visible by their absence.
- Zelenskiy requests to BUY ten Patriot air defence systems for $15 billion (money and jobs for America). Trump says...no 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️
- US military supplies, approved by Biden administration, have nearly run out. Maybe the pretense of sucking up to Trump can soon stop.
- Trump threatens to pull the license of CBS for its 90 minute interview with Zelenskiy
- EU diplomats issued with burner phones to prevent the US confiscating their official phones (if they visit the US ) and sharing security info with Russia. (Good!!! EU getting more serious)
- Russian state TV mocks Trump, his administration and Americans for voting for Trump. They state clearly that Russia will NEVER. ally itself with the US, even with Trump there.
What the hell has Putin got over Trump to be confident to state that publicly??


WTH is going on? It's complete madness.
 


Eric the meek

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Important content as always from Broe - I'm halfway through:
EDIT: Please watch this to the end - Jake believes Trump will normalise sending lower 'level' people to El Salvador without due process, then it's very likely he'll go after anyone he wants in a year: politicians, writers, YouTubers, journos... anyone he wants to disappear.
- Trump blames Ukraine again,and says Sumy strike was a mistake
- Zelenskiy retweets and thanks all the world leaders that issued messages of support and condolence for the Sumy murders. Trump and Vance visible by their absence.
- Zelenskiy requests to BUY ten Patriot air defence systems for $15 billion (money and jobs for America). Trump says...no 🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️🤷🏼‍♂️
- US military supplies, approved by Biden administration, have nearly run out. Maybe the pretense of sucking up to Trump can soon stop.
- Trump threatens to pull the license of CBS for its 90 minute interview with Zelenskiy
- EU diplomats issued with burner phones to prevent the US confiscating their official phones (if they visit the US ) and sharing security info with Russia. (Good!!! EU getting more serious)
- Russian state TV mocks Trump, his administration and Americans for voting for Trump. They state clearly that Russia will NEVER. ally itself with the US, even with Trump there.
What the hell has Putin got over Trump to be confident to state that publicly??


For me, upon close inspection, the bit that drives it home, is this:

- EU diplomats issued with burner phones to prevent the US confiscating their official phones (if they visit the US ) and sharing security info with Russia.

The US is no longer regarded, by the EU at least, as a safe ally. Extraordinary. And in the space of less than 3 months of Trump being in office.
 




raymondo

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WTH is going on? It's complete madness.
Yes, it is madness.
There are a number of things in Jake's video that kind of defy belief.
I know he's extrapolating his (also quite personal) fears forward re the "illegal detention and deportation to El Salvador ", but given the increasing momentum of the madness, I think he's more likely to be right than wrong.
 




Eric the meek

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Yes, it is madness.
There are a number of things in Jake's video that kind of defy belief.
I know he's extrapolating his (also quite personal) fears forward re the "illegal detention and deportation to El Salvador ", but given the increasing momentum of the madness, I think he's more likely to be right than wrong.
I think you're right on the last point. The momentum or speed has taken many by surprise.

But there is going to be some pushback, like there has been with the tariffs, leading to retreat on some fronts.

Think back to the insanity of the Rwanda plan. That ended badly for the Tories.
 




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