[Albion] Brighton fans: just the same whiney b*tches as Chelsea, Arsenal, and Man Utd's fans.

[Guinness Boy]

... and also specialise in ending other clubs long winless runs.

Last week Leicester had lost seven games on the bounce without scored a single goal before putting two past us from open play and being unlucky to come away with a draw. This week Brentford hadn't won at home for seven games before we duly obliged. Wonder what unenviable losing streak we can help Plodder get rid of next week?

BHAFC: The Gift That Keeps On Giving

This is it, isn’t it? Last time out on Potter’s return he faced a super motivated side with clear tactics and desire. And GP’s answer was apparently to play Sterling at wing back and not prepare Cucu for the fact he might get booed.

This time round he’s going to note our one fit first team centre back and know exactly how to embarrass him.

 

[trueblue]

Taking off our only striker and dominant midfielder defied explanation and the fans turned ugly.

Agree with everything you said apart from this bit. I think the explanation is that well adrift, with ten men and playing so poorly, it was pretty much an admission that we were better off protecting our only forward and key midfielder for the games to come. Not ambitious or popular but logical.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

This is it, isn’t it? Last time out on Potter’s return he faced a super motivated side with clear tactics and desire. And GP’s answer was apparently to play Sterling at wing back and not prepare Cucu for the fact he might get booed.

This time round he’s going to note our one fit first team centre back and know exactly how to embarrass him.

And... here's the narrative for next week's game, courtesy of the BBC website:

'Meanwhile, there were boos from the West Ham fans at the final whistle as their winless run in the Premier League extended to six games.'

West Ham 1-1 Southampton: Lesley Ugochukwu scores stoppage-time equaliser for Saints

Lesley Ugochukwu scores a stoppage-time equaliser as bottom side Southampton claim a thoroughly deserved point at West Ham.

www.bbc.co.uk

Here you go Plodder, compliments of the season from all at BHAFC

 

[ROSM]

For the benefit of the armchair experts who are out in force tonight calling it overeaction, let me spell out what our performance today was really like.
I didn't think that our level could drop anymore from the previous four performances. Sadly, it did. In fact, it is now getting worse, game by game. It was a performance of collective errors from start to finish. The players seemed content to play at a tempo that offered little or no threat. Despite what the manager said post match about us being good first half, we were bloody awful. Fans were saying at HT that surely this couldn't get any worse. Sadly, it did. We got away with that HT scoreline. It was laughable that we were even level. Did we learn from it. No. We just kicked off again in the same manner, giving the ball away, right, left and centre and paid the price.
The game was crying out for change. There was no energy, no direction. Where was Mitoma? The fans could see it coming and it did. Too late. Taking off our only striker and dominant midfielder defied explanation and the fans turned ugly.
Pedro was a selfish and languid disgrace for 60 min before deciding to make our task even more difficult. Dunk struggled painfully again. Defensively, we were all over the shop. Brentford played in second gear and waited for the gaps to appear, which we were only too happy to provide. This was so far below the levels of a few games ago that you begin to wonder quite what is going on. The players actually appear to have given up.
TB heard and felt the frustration and anger first hand. It was in his ear. Although those berating him deserve condemnation. It was a mismanaged shambles, that gifted Brentford their first home win since December. For many still giving the manager leeway before today, this was a turning point. It felt like a rudderless ship, drifting slowly towards the rocks and its difficult to see anything other than a limp slide now into the bottom half.

This is far more articulate than anything I've written or said in the last 15 hours. But is 100% correct.

I was about 10 rows from Tony Bloom so don't know what was said to him and you are right that having a go at him would be dreadful and wrong. I did however see people doing what I can best describe as pleading with him to act. Now these aren't glory hunters given that all the tickets went to a) players guests, b) Tony and his group c) club guests d) tier 1 away fans e) a handful of tier 2

The question is whether our manager is unlucky now or was very lucky before that our better performances have come when tactical changes and missing personnel have been forced on him. But I go back to my point that playing how we are with who we have smacks of naivety or arrogance

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

For the benefit of the armchair experts who are out in force tonight calling it overeaction, let me spell out what our performance today was really like.
I didn't think that our level could drop anymore from the previous four performances. Sadly, it did. In fact, it is now getting worse, game by game. It was a performance of collective errors from start to finish. The players seemed content to play at a tempo that offered little or no threat. Despite what the manager said post match about us being good first half, we were bloody awful. Fans were saying at HT that surely this couldn't get any worse. Sadly, it did. We got away with that HT scoreline. It was laughable that we were even level. Did we learn from it. No. We just kicked off again in the same manner, giving the ball away, right, left and centre and paid the price.
The game was crying out for change. There was no energy, no direction. Where was Mitoma? The fans could see it coming and it did. Too late. Taking off our only striker and dominant midfielder defied explanation and the fans turned ugly.
Pedro was a selfish and languid disgrace for 60 min before deciding to make our task even more difficult. Dunk struggled painfully again. Defensively, we were all over the shop. Brentford played in second gear and waited for the gaps to appear, which we were only too happy to provide. This was so far below the levels of a few games ago that you begin to wonder quite what is going on. The players actually appear to have given up.
TB heard and felt the frustration and anger first hand. It was in his ear. Although those berating him deserve condemnation. It was a mismanaged shambles, that gifted Brentford their first home win since December. For many still giving the manager leeway before today, this was a turning point. It felt like a rudderless ship, drifting slowly towards the rocks and its difficult to see anything other than a limp slide now into the bottom half.

Yep. Whiney b*tches.

 

[GloryDays]

Out of curiosity, to all the fans getting the vintage footage out and talking about how far we’ve come since the Big Bang, how constructive / helpful did you find Potter’s history lesson comment?

 

[PascalGroß Tips]

it's a cumulative thing.
The last 3 or 4 performances have been very poor.

In truth, I'm not really over how badly we played at Selhurst Park.
We were promised a reaction to that.
Then we didn't really show up against Leicester.
We were promised a reaction to that.
Then we were defensively naive yesterday.

We were decent against Forest, but it's all been downhill from there, and it feels like the players have lost some self-belief.

Exactly. It’s not ‘just’ the results - it’s the performances leading to the results. Our play has become so slow and ponderous. I can accept a defeat if we’ve really made a game of it. That’s not been happening anywhere near enough recently.

 

[Justice]

I can’t stomach these look at me I’m an Uber fan. Good for you now let others discuss the shit football that’s getting served up.

 

[herecomesaregular]

Our ticket prices are comparable to those clubs now. Why the f*** shouldn't we have some expectations? It's not Withdean potg anymore

Suspect you might be a Bad Fan. Was it ever potg at Withdean? I seem to only remember forever queuing on Queens Rd to get a ticket?!

 

[Mo Gosfield]

Yep. Whiney b*tches.

No. Not a whiney bitch, just a frustrated and disappointed fan who has watched a lot of football over 60 years, at all levels and expects a certain level of performance from a team sitting in the top half of the toughest league in the world.
We have had our ups and downs this season, short successful bursts followed by less successful runs. In our 8 game winless run over Xmas/New Year our levels were higher ( we only lost 2 of those games ) For whatever reason, we have allowed our levels to drop quite dramatically. It looks like a collective switching off.
The manager is coming out after every game and saying we will put it right the next game. We aren't. We are getting worse each game. Which suggests his message isn't getting across. It either suggests an inability to correct things, miscommunication or disinterest from the playing group.
Fans at games are always pro-active. They sense and feel the game changing. They are regular watchers. They want their team to react. They don't want to see changes after the horse has bolted. They expect in-game management. They expect tactical changes.
Yesterday can be put down to either naivety, arrogance or inexperience or combinations of these three. We have a young manager who has come from a team playing at 1.5 - 2 levels below the PL. It is a big step up. If the plan was to give him a season to learn on the job, fine but no more than that is acceptable. Fans will not tolerate capitulations like Chelsea ( a ) Forest ( a Cup ) and yesterday. 24 goals conceded in 6 separate games this season. Bottom 6 for goals conceded. Regularly scoring two goals in a game and not winning.
He has not won the fans over. No one sings his name. He hasn't stamped his identity onto us. He hasn't yet persuaded fans that it is the strength of the squad carrying us through thus far and not his managerial ability.
It feels like this season is his apprenticeship, warts and all. Next season the leeway/honeymoon has gone. He's on his own. Sink or swim.

 

[BN9 BHA]

Yep. Whiney b*tches.

My guess is you are one of those ‘oh so funny’ second accounts of a very regular poster,
I know many of us have played along with replies on this thread. Tell me I’m wrong, fair play that you have enjoyed the fun though.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Suspect you might be a Bad Fan. Was it ever potg at Withdean? I seem to only remember forever queuing on Queens Rd to get a ticket?!

Not forgetting sending a cheque in a stamped addressed envelope and hoping to be selected for a matchday ticket. Used to be heartbreaking to go in there and see a member of staff whose full time job seemed to be returning cheques to unlucky applicants. Only reason I got my first ever ST was to be sure of seeing games at Withdean. Bloomin' loved that big fat book of matchday tickets

 

[essbee1]

No. Not a whiney bitch, just a frustrated and disappointed fan who has watched a lot of football over 60 years, at all levels and expects a certain level of performance from a team sitting in the top half of the toughest league in the world.
We have had our ups and downs this season, short successful bursts followed by less successful runs. In our 8 game winless run over Xmas/New Year our levels were higher ( we only lost 2 of those games ) For whatever reason, we have allowed our levels to drop quite dramatically. It looks like a collective switching off.
The manager is coming out after every game and saying we will put it right the next game. We aren't. We are getting worse each game. Which suggests his message isn't getting across. It either suggests an inability to correct things, miscommunication or disinterest from the playing group.
Fans at games are always pro-active. They sense and feel the game changing. They are regular watchers. They want their team to react. They don't want to see changes after the horse has bolted. They expect in-game management. They expect tactical changes.
Yesterday can be put down to either naivety, arrogance or inexperience or combinations of these three. We have a young manager who has come from a team playing at 1.5 - 2 levels below the PL. It is a big step up. If the plan was to give him a season to learn on the job, fine but no more than that is acceptable. Fans will not tolerate capitulations like Chelsea ( a ) Forest ( a Cup ) and yesterday. 24 goals conceded in 6 separate games this season. Bottom 6 for goals conceded. Regularly scoring two goals in a game and not winning.
He has not won the fans over. No one sings his name. He hasn't stamped his identity onto us. He hasn't yet persuaded fans that it is the strength of the squad carrying us through thus far and not his managerial ability.
It feels like this season is his apprenticeship, warts and all. Next season the leeway/honeymoon has gone. He's on his own. Sink or swim.

Post of the year so far.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I do agree with your point regarding entitlement, don't get me wrong. However, some on here think we should be happy regardless what happens on the pitch because of the 90's and I do understand their point but the club is vastly different to that club then and some really need to move on. It isn't healthy.

I understand what you are saying, but I don't agree that anyone thinks we should be happy with any old shite because of Hereford.
It is about nuance.

@Guinness Boy has explained quite clearly how the top ten is our new normal, and if we fall short this is cause for complaint.
I understand entirely his perspective but I don't quite agree. I almost agree, but not quite.
In my view if the manager is making the right noises, and we have injuries and that, 12th to 15th one season is tolerable.
The trouble we have now is that we have a manager who seems to quite a lot of supporters to be a bit of a dweeb.
I posted something about this yesterday.
Dweebishness brings out the bully in many of us (me included).
After all, what has tooth sucking or having a process and a hair transplant got to do with a manager's capability?
And why do people still love RDZ more than Potter or Fab? It is because he's an old school 'man's man' with enormous testicles.

So I agree with you and Guinness boy, albeit there are shades of nuance which seem to be misinterpreted by both sides.
In truth most people don't want Fab sacked in the morning, yet most people will understand if he is sacked if we slip below 10th.
And in truth the sacking threshold would be different if RDZ were in charge, even if points and performances were the same.
We are a rum lot.

 

[One Love]

Yep. Whiney b*tches.

I'm assuming you include Welbz in that after his post match interview.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I understand what you are saying, but I don't agree that anyone thinks we should be happy with any old shite because of Hereford.
It is about nuance.

@Guinness Boy has explained quite clearly how the top ten is our new normal, and if we fall short this is cause for complaint.
I understand entirely his perspective but I don't quite agree. I almost agree, but not quite.
In my view if the manager is making the right noises, and we have injuries and that, 12th to 15th one season is tolerable.
The trouble we have now is that we have a manager who seems to quite a lot of supporters to be a bit of a dweeb.
I posted something about this yesterday.
Dweebishness brings out the bully in many of us (me included).
After all, what has tooth sucking or having a process and a hair transplant got to do with a manager's capability?
And why do people still love RDZ more than Potter or Fab? It is because he's an old school 'man's man' with enormous testicles.

So I agree with you and Guinness boy, albeit there are shades of nuance which seem to be misinterpreted by both sides.
In truth most people don't want Fab sacked in the morning, yet most people will understand if he is sacked if we slip below 10th.
And in truth the sacking threshold would be different if RDZ were in charge, even if points and performances were the same.
We are a rum lot.

I’ve probably explained it better on @The Wookiee ’s thread this morning than I did last night.

Actual table position progress may always be linear but some of the other stuff concerns me greatly. We have no style of football, repeat the same mistakes and have players (Dunk, Bart, Pervis, Pedro, Adingra and Mitoma) going backwards. And, as a club our injury record is unacceptable and has been for several seasons

 

[BadFish]

I think we can all agree that the only solution to all this is bringing in Knutsen.

The only question is: Have we missed the boat?

 

[Cheshire Cat]

Absolutely well put.
It's not as if we were nearly extinct v Hereford.
Spent years in the wilderness.
Return back to Sussex.
Have two generous benefactors plough their hard earned wealth into the club.
Eventually climb out of a greasy pit and end up as an established PL club.

Oh the irony of our fickle fans!

But that was a long time ago now.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

I'm assuming you include Welbz in that after his post match interview.

Why? I don't remember him whining about the manager, shouting £200m or £250m, screaming that the manager should be sacked, and they'd be doing better with another manager, and we should be beating teams like...

 

[Wrong-Direction]

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