[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[Bodian]

Trump will then say Ukraine are blocking peace and we start working with Russia on trade.

"Start"? Isn't that what their meetings have probably been about already?

 

[Triggaaar]

I’d imagine there are many people who hope that literally happens.

Vance would go up in my estimations.

 

[Triggaaar]

As US are trying to pressure Ukraine Zelenskyy into recognising Crimea as Russian, and says deal close.... Zelenskyy responds.

In return for allowing Russia to steal Crimea, Ukraine would get:

nothing.

Great deal.

 

[raymondo]

Can't we just buy them & then sell/hand them to Ukraine?

I think Trump will just refuse because he knows they're for Ukraine.

 

[raymondo]

Trump will then say Ukraine are blocking peace and we start working with Russia on trade.

He will...but at some point Ukraine and Europe need to start ignoring what Trump says. I'm sure the last military aid from the US is nearly drawn down - there won't be any more.
Time to treat Russia and Trump as the partners that they are.

 

[raymondo]

Vance would go up in my estimations.

The Caesar and Brutus of the American Empire

 

[raymondo]

More detail on the hit on the missile arsenal:

 

[driddles]

More detail on the hit on the missile arsenal:

State of emergency declared https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025...xplosion-rocks-russias-vladimir-region-a88833

 

[raymondo]

Well done, Kallas,.
Straight out there to support Zelenskiy,and expressing polite disbelief at the lack of US action against Russia.

 

[raymondo]

State of emergency declared https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025...xplosion-rocks-russias-vladimir-region-a88833

Explosions continue several hours after the initial hit! That's very good news

 

[raymondo]

State of emergency declared https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025...xplosion-rocks-russias-vladimir-region-a88833

In the Moscow Times report "“Following the investigation, those found responsible will be held accountable". I imagine they may have perished .

 

[SouthSaxon]

As US are trying to pressure Ukraine Zelenskyy into recognising Crimea as Russian, and says deal close.... Zelenskyy responds.

I’ve noticed this is a tactic they use a lot - see comments about UK hate speech laws recently.

“A deal is close” is a lie that represents “the other party is rejecting one of our demands”. They’ve stopped short of just announcing that it’s been agreed regardless, which is a small mercy.

 

[SouthSaxon]

He will...but at some point Ukraine and Europe need to start ignoring what Trump says. I'm sure the last military aid from the US is nearly drawn down - there won't be any more.
Time to treat Russia and Trump as the partners that they are.

I suspect/fear the UK is years away from being at a point of readiness to publicly break with the US.

The SDR is going to be interesting, but the most important parts will probably be the ones we don’t hear about. “Replace the Trident missiles with ones we can maintain ourselves”, for example.

 

[Sirnormangall]

State of emergency declared https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025...xplosion-rocks-russias-vladimir-region-a88833

Interesting story in there too about Chechnya - demonstrating Russia’s approach to overseeing its satellite states

 

[Eric the meek]

State of emergency declared https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2025...xplosion-rocks-russias-vladimir-region-a88833

There's an interesting article below the one about the explosions at Kirzhach.

It's about a 17 year old Chechen who killed a policeman, and the brutality of the official response by Kadyrov. It mentions how Kadyrov was installed as a leader of Chechnya by Moscow, and none of the Chechens wanted him. It would seem the Chechen war of the 1990s is not over.

Edit: Sirnormangall you beat me to it. We must have been reading it at the same time.

 

[raymondo]

I suspect/fear the UK is years away from being at a point of readiness to publicly break with the US.

The SDR is going to be interesting, but the most important parts will probably be the ones we don’t hear about. “Replace the Trident missiles with ones we can maintain ourselves”, for example.

I suspect you are right - a huge mental shift for UK politics, that many will remain in denial about.
Trident, yes... Maybe the US will pull the plug on it - they seem to be drifting so quickly away from Europe .
Vive la France !

 

[peterward]

I suspect you are right - a huge mental shift for UK politics, that many will remain in denial about.
Trident, yes... Maybe the US will pull the plug on it - they seem to be drifting so quickly away from Europe .
Vive la France !

We need to invest in tactical nukes too imho.

But French systems seem more preferable to US systems in the new world order.

 

[Sirnormangall]

Vance would go up in my estimations.

Presumably from a very low base

 

[Eric the meek]

Kirzhach is confirmed as a direct hit. This may be noteworthy for the inability of any anti-aircraft defence to prevent it.

 

[peterward]

Kirzhach is confirmed as a direct hit. This may be noteworthy for the inability of any anti-aircraft defence to prevent it.

You'll like this one!