[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[peterward]

Rubio, Witkoff decline to attend Ukraine peace talks in London

U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Special Envoy Steve Witkoff were originally expected to attend, but have since pulled out, U.S. and European officials told the Financial Times.

kyivindependent.com

 

[crookie]

If the free world survives intact the rest of his presidency, history won't look kindly at this absolute c**t of a man

 

[fly high]

Vive la France !

Things must be bad.

 

[raymondo]

Fxck off Trump:

The Trump "Final" Proposal For Ukraine

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[raymondo]

Rubio, Witkoff decline to attend Ukraine peace talks in London

U.S. Secretary of State Marco Rubio and Special Envoy Steve Witkoff were originally expected to attend, but have since pulled out, U.S. and European officials told the Financial Times.

kyivindependent.com

Personally, it's good riddance - why have the enemy's assets at talks on Ukraine?

 

[raymondo]

You'll like this one!

It's one third of how to win the war:
- control front lines with Ukrainian drones
- hit weapons storage with Ukrainian and European weapons
- hit oil storage with same
(Fxck off US)

 

[Eric the meek]

The Kirzhach military arsenal bavovnas from another perspective:

 

[peterward]

The Kirzhach military arsenal bavovnas from another perspective:

Face on left side of Bavovna.

 

[raymondo]

The Kirzhach military arsenal bavovnas from another perspective:

Nice demonstration of speed of sight versus sound there )

 

[raymondo]

Face on left side of Bavovna.

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That is excellent...what a good spot from you

 

[Eric the meek]

That is excellent...what a good spot from you

Echoes of the angel of Toropets?

 

[Deportivo Seagull]

Personally, it's good riddance - why have the enemy's assets at talks on Ukraine?

I think it’s dawned on him that Ukraine is a strong position whereas Putin’s position is very much overstated. He’s just realised that Ukraine are not going to surrender to his tactics and Putin can’t. Trump doesn’t like losers so is getting out of Dodge, which is somewhat ironic as he looks at one every time he uses a mirror.

 

[raymondo]

I think it’s dawned on him that Ukraine is a strong position whereas Putin’s position is very much overstated. He’s just realised that Ukraine are not going to surrender to his tactics and Putin can’t. Trump doesn’t like losers so is getting out of Dodge, which is somewhat ironic as he looks at one every time he uses a mirror.

Yep.
But as for Witkoff, I'm not sure anything dawns on him much.

 

[raymondo]

The gift that keeps on giving...and go down five replies to see that shells etc are landing up to 10km from the arsenal... nice short video there.

 

[SouthSaxon]

I think it’s dawned on him that Ukraine is a strong position whereas Putin’s position is very much overstated. He’s just realised that Ukraine are not going to surrender to his tactics and Putin can’t. Trump doesn’t like losers so is getting out of Dodge, which is somewhat ironic as he looks at one every time he uses a mirror.

Agreed. We’re so used to the Americans providing the leadership and strength that we’re still seeing current events through that lens.

The reality is that their recent bluster isn’t supported by genuine substance.

This is an excellent segment from Times Radio yesterday with Prof Scott Lucas which explores just that. Gives me a lot more confidence that Trump can’t just have his way.

He also offers fulsome praise for Zelenskyy, rightly so.

 

[raymondo]

Agreed. We’re so used to the Americans providing the leadership and strength that we’re still seeing current events through that lens.

The reality is that their recent bluster isn’t supported by genuine substance.

This is an excellent segment from Times Radio yesterday with Prof Scott Lucas which explores just that. Gives me a lot more confidence that Trump can’t just have his way.

He also offers fulsome praise for Zelenskyy, rightly so.

Excellent phrasing in your first paragraph ...sums things up very well

 

[SouthSaxon]

Excellent phrasing in your first paragraph ...sums things up very well

Thanks. It just feels like we need to reset our mental model of what US diplomacy can achieve. Myself included, I’m regularly having to remind myself that Trump and his team are buffoons and their current plan is going nowhere fast.

 

[raymondo]

Thanks. It just feels like we need to reset our mental model of what US diplomacy can achieve. Myself included, I’m regularly having to remind myself that Trump and his team are buffoons and their current plan is going nowhere fast.

From recent weeks it's pretty apparent that European leaders are having as much trouble resetting as we are.
If Trump and his team had been 'elected' in some minor African state (no offence, I'm doing most countries an injustice) the whole of the western leadership, traditional US leadership included, would be laughing our heads off at the buffoonery and would not give that team the time of day.

 

[peterward]

 

[Sirnormangall]

Fxck off Trump:

The Trump "Final" Proposal For Ukraine

Phillips’s Newsletter is a reader-supported publication.

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So the only thing of benefit here to Ukraine is that the proposed agreement says they could join the EU. But that’s not in Trump’s power to offer or decide on. The agreement therefore offers nothing to Ukraine and everything to the aggressor