[News] A woman is a woman.

[dsr-burnley]

Okay but what part of biological sex?

Their chromosomes? What gametes they produce? What genitalia they are born with? What their brain says they are?

Each of these are biological in nature, but will result in different people being classified as women.

It's not a simple topic despite what some people will say.

For nearly everybody, it's simple. For a few people who are different from biological norms, it may be complicated, but that doesn't make it complicated for everyone else.

If my brain says I am a horse, or a child, or a professional footballer, or a bicycle, or the Emperor of France, then my brain is wrong. Why should it be different if my brain says I am a woman?

 

[BadFish]

For nearly everybody, it's simple. For a few people who are different from biological norms, it may be complicated, but that doesn't make it complicated for everyone else.

If my brain says I am a horse, or a child, or a professional footballer, or a bicycle, or the Emperor of France, then my brain is wrong. Why should it be different if my brain says I am a woman?

You can literally find the answers to this question if you choose to look.

 

[beorhthelm]

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[BadFish]

More informations about the science of this here.

 

[Jackthelad]

Common sense prevails. It's worked for the last 300,000 years so why change it now. As a father to a daughter the world feels a bit safer, but I suspect the radicals will keep pushing.

 

[Bry Nylon]

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This will undoubtedly be the kind of shitshow the Ignore thread functionality was custom built for.

 

[dsr-burnley]

You can literally find the answers to this question if you choose to look.

Point me in the right direction then. I'm not even clear whether people are saying that the definition of the words "man" and "woman" has changed but the difference between the XX-chromosome sex and the XY-chromosome is still what it was, or whether the XX and XY difference has become largely irrelevant if not imaginary.

 

[BadFish]

Point me in the right direction then. I'm not even clear whether people are saying that the definition of the words "man" and "woman" has changed but the difference between the XX-chromosome sex and the XY-chromosome is still what it was, or whether the XX and XY difference has become largely irrelevant if not imaginary.

I've posted two videos that explain it pretty well. The first one is probably more in-depth and very long but the intro covers it well. Professor Dave is a bit abrasive in his style but summarises pretty well.

 

[dsr-burnley]

I've posted two videos that explain it pretty well. The first one is probably more in-depth and very long but the intro covers it well. Professor Dave is a bit abrasive in his style but summarises pretty well.

I can read faster than I can listen. Has anyone written anything down?

 

[AstroSloth]

For goodness sake, people with disorders of sexual development make up about 1% of the population, and even they are either male of female (generally configured to produce small gametes or large gametes).

But it's not just disorders of sexual development.

If you go by chromosomes, intersex people don't exist.

Has to have the right gametes? Women with no eggs are no longer women, men who are unable to produce sperm aren't men.

Not to mention the fact biological sex and gender aren't in any way the same thing.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Common sense prevails. It's worked for the last 300,000 years so why change it now. As a father to a daughter the world feels a bit safer, but I suspect the radicals will keep pushing.

The world is not safer at all.

Whilst, in my view the judgement was correct, all the hype around this issue was started by radical feminists and taken on by the gaslighting right wing media and right wing populism politicians. They taken a sledgehammer to crack a nut.

Your daughter is in more danger than young women have been in for a generation due to toxic masculinity and incels and influences of people like Andrew Tate and movements like MAGA.

A colleague of mine was spiked with rohypnol in a bar Brighton last night and spent the night in hospital having had her stomach pumped. I am incandescent with rage about this. She was informed by a Police officer that crimes against women have increased by 40% in Brighton and Hove is the last two years. It's not trans women committing these crimes.

 

[BadFish]

I can read faster than I can listen. Has anyone written anything down?

have a look on Google scholar there is plenty there.

 

[AstroSloth]

If you’re born a woman you are a woman. If you’re born a man you are a man. Seems fairly obvious.

Woman and man are genders, this is different to biological sex. Biological sex is also incredibly complex.

 

[AstroSloth]

Dangly bits, bloke
No dangly bits, woman
Simples, no? Apparently not. Each to their own I s'pose

What about intersex people? What about people who are born with one set of genitalia but produce the "wrong" chromosomes?

 

[Commander]

Dangly bits, bloke
No dangly bits, woman
Simples, no? Apparently not. Each to their own I s'pose

What about REALLY SMALL dangly bits? Am I, I mean would somebody, still be a bloke then?

 

[Curious Orange]

But it's not just disorders of sexual development.

If you go by chromosomes, intersex people don't exist.

Has to have the right gametes? Women with no eggs are no longer women, men who are unable to produce sperm aren't men.

Not to mention the fact biological sex and gender aren't in any way the same thing.

I said generally configured to produce large or small gametes, NOT that they actually did - children don't produce gametes, XX males don't produce small gametes, etc, but they are still either male or female.

And yes, sex and gender are different, which is effectively what the Supreme Court has confirmed in relation to how the Equality Act (2010) should be read.

 

[Perry's Tracksuit Bottoms]

For goodness sake, people with disorders of sexual development make up about 1% of the population, and even they are either male of female (generally configured to produce small gametes or large gametes).

That's around 700,000 members of the UK population, which is quite a large number of people to be dismissing or ignoring.

 

[Curious Orange]

That's around 700,000 members of the UK population, which is quite a large number of people to be dismissing or ignoring.

I think you are trying to say everyone with a DSD is 'trans' or intersex - that is definitely not the case.

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

Common sense prevails. It's worked for the last 300,000 years so why change it now. As a father to a daughter the world feels a bit safer, but I suspect the radicals will keep pushing.

Unfortunately, common sense is different things to different people.
What might be common sense to a nuclear scientist could well be different to what is common sense to the person who cleans his office or laboratory.
As a former manager of ours once said, eeeee’s complicated. There are issues I don’t understand here and am not feeling the need to understand because they don’t really affect me! But I would err on the side of tolerance, understanding, empathy and, dare I say it, being WOKE!

EDIT: and apologies to any female nuclear scientists because I said “his office”. I have a wife and two daughters who have all done very well in their fields of work - sixth form college principal/senior in admin in the Welsh management (Senedd)/doctor and breast surgeon. And I’m inordinately proud of all three!

 

[Cheggers]

It's a bit log but at least watch the first 15 minutes as the science is explained pretty well.

I can't see the wood for trees.