A lot of the comments I've seen (not just NSC but everywhere) have been so classically off the mark about this programme. Including some of our politicians who think that teenagers are so oblivious to the dangers of social media that the show should be aired in every school, despite a large chunk of it being about how adults are oblivious to insidious content on social media...
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[TV] Adolescence - Netflix 4 part drama written by and starring Stephen Graham
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Just finished watching it (2 episodes last night, 2 tonight). Some great acting (Cooper and Doherty stand out in particular) but a lot of it I found a bit underwhelming and a bit…well….dull. Think the hyping of it I’d seen had raised expectations a bit too high.
Wrong-Direction
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Great acting for me is Saving Private Ryan, this show is miles below that in terms of acting.
Cotton Socks
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I don't think that any one of my female friends would agree with what that woman was saying about wanting a man to be a 'protector & provider', completely opposite in fact with the thought that they don't need a man to 'protect & provide' for them as they can look after themselves. I think females wanted equality, as in being paid the same as males, not being laughed out of college for daring to want to be a mechanic & to be able to play football & basketball in school instead of only being allowed to play netball. Females are a bit stuck if they want children, they either have the choice of no longer being able to provide for themselves by giving up their job or keep their job & pay an extortionate amount of money for their kid to learn someone else's bad habits rather than their own.
Things like Onlyfans & porn online is just completely normal now for any age. I know of one woman (45ish) who was knowingly sending half naked pics of herself to a 14 year old boy. If that was a male sending pics to a 14 year old girl, he would be straight in the police station, absolutely nothing happened to her. That's not equality and worst still she is one of a dying breed of females that wants a man to 'protect & provide' for her. Also allowed her 7 year old daughter complete access to the net so that her daughter could see all the lovely comments the blokes were putting on her mum's half naked pics. Not only is that monumentally stupid, what impression is she sending out to her 7 year old & if her daughter was her son I can't help but wonder if she'd behave any different. I had the 'delight' of seeing Ivor Caplin's FB page & my thought was just WTAF.
This male vs female thing now has become so complicated. On one hand, males can't say 'get your t*ts out for the lads' anymore but on the other hand you have completely public FB accounts asking their followers if they'd like to see more t*ts or arse. Page 3 was banned but we have this instead. After seeing Ivor Caplins FB page I no longer know what the law is but for those pics of males it used to be considered 'hardcore' porn, but again that's sexist. I've always said to my kids that if they think 'real sex' is anything like they see online then they're going to be disappointed. Now I see 'choking' is becoming normalised & now I'm thinking I've got to have a conversation about no matter if a woman begs you to do it, just don't, as you could accidentally kill them. This used to be S&M stuff now it's just 'normal' porn.
TL,DR? It confuses the f**k out of me trying to keep up with what's normal & acceptable, how are kids of today supposed to work it out? I don't think showing it in schools will serve any purpose.... unless you can get parents in at the same time.
Skaville
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I’m a father of two boys aged 17 and 14. I finished it last night before bed and woke up in a cold sweat at 3am.
I found it very harrowing and several moments triggered alarm bells, especially for my 14 y/o. I had a conversation about 18 months ago with him and two of his mates. They’d all seen Andrew Tait content.
The conversation about ‘what harm could he be doing in his room’ was very familiar. It’s very hard to monitor this generation and their activity online.
A very important drama, wonderfully written and acted, but not a fun watch.
I found it very harrowing and several moments triggered alarm bells, especially for my 14 y/o. I had a conversation about 18 months ago with him and two of his mates. They’d all seen Andrew Tait content.
The conversation about ‘what harm could he be doing in his room’ was very familiar. It’s very hard to monitor this generation and their activity online.
A very important drama, wonderfully written and acted, but not a fun watch.
oneillco
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Episode 1 was truly shocking, even though I think there were some major holes, for e.g. what parent wouldn't ask the cops "what exactly are you accusing him of doing?". But I thought Episode 2 set in the school was actually quite daft and unrealistic. I'll stick with it though for the final 2 episodes and I'm hoping for a major uptick in plausability...
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Finished watching it last night, it was very good, the actors were all first class.
Obviously Graham and boy, but I thought the psychiatrist and the daughter were also great, along with the lead detective.
The wife and daughter talked about it at length, the emoji thing etc, and are boys and girls like that at school and pretty much bang on apparently.
I thought the ending was a bit meh, but how do you end something like that I guess, maybe the girls parents perspective.
Obviously Graham and boy, but I thought the psychiatrist and the daughter were also great, along with the lead detective.
The wife and daughter talked about it at length, the emoji thing etc, and are boys and girls like that at school and pretty much bang on apparently.
I thought the ending was a bit meh, but how do you end something like that I guess, maybe the girls parents perspective.
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The ending with the teddy bear utterly broke me. Floods of tears.
Firstly, I agree with your point that most women don't want or need a man to be a "provider and protector". If you suggested it to my partner, you'd get very short shrift.
I don't know what to think about the 2nd paragraph. Was this 45-year-old woman reported to the police?
Para 3 is where you start to lose me. What's confusing about some women sharing sexual images and other women not wanting to be catcalled?
As for the normalisation of violent sex, I share your concern. Definitely something that parents need to have conversations with their teens about (both boys and girls), no matter how awkward that may be.
Cotton Socks
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Firstly, I agree with your point that most women don't want or need a man to be a "provider and protector". If you suggested it to my partner, you'd get very short shrift.
I don't know what to think about the 2nd paragraph. Was this 45-year-old woman reported to the police?
Para 3 is where you start to lose me. What's confusing about some women sharing sexual images and other women not wanting to be catcalled?
As for the normalisation of violent sex, I share your concern. Definitely something that parents need to have conversations with their teens about (both boys and girls), no matter how awkward that may be.
Yes she was reported but as I said nothing happened. I don't know the details of why or how she got away with it. I had stuff going on in my life so I didn't bother to try & find out.
Cat calling was a bad example, I was more pointing out the change in society & shifts of attitudes towards women. 30 years ago no one took any notice of it, it was (wrongly) accepted & women just had to put up with it. Porn mags was the only place a 13 year old could get 'info' of potential things a female would 'like'. Now they've got access to hardcore porn to judge what women 'like' & things like 'The Inbetweeners' as a 'balance' to show them that life is more like the Inbetweeners than what they're seeing online. Everything is so highly sexualised even music vids. I remember when 'Salt 'n Pepa' released 'Lets Talk About Sex'. To hear the word 'sex' in a song on the radio was odd & cringey if your parents happened to be there. It seemed there were 2 types of parents, one's that would let it play or even worse sing along & others that would immediately change radio station. I don't believe any kid of today would think 'blimey, the word sex is in that song'. The world has moved on considerably since then. Page 3 has been banned as women didn't like being sexualised & objectified but on the other hand online they're getting the impression that women actually don't mind showing what they've got. I'm not saying it's right or wrong for anyone to show what they've got, male or female, just to be clear.
How are they supposed to know what is what, when I'm still confused after rewriting para 3 in a diff way. What's even the protocol in a teens life of sending 'pics', seems like it's the norm to send them, now Truprint is no longer involved. The internet has opened Pandora's box & I'm part of the generation that embraced it & passed it to my kids. I thought Friends Reunited was amazing, I had no idea it would lead to what we have now with FB, X, Insta etc.
We've created a minefield for them to navigate, we're telling them to avoid the mines but have no idea where we've put them. We now have to work out emojis that we 'invented' as they now mean different things. AI should be a great thing but when you look at whats happened to the internet, I can't help but think it's not a great idea.
sussex_guy2k2
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I think you’ve just backed up my point, inadvertently.
That doesn’t negate the point that men have always had questions surrounding masculinity, no matter the generation.
sussex_guy2k2
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All jokes aside, I’m amazed that she managed the logistics behind that. That’s a new man every 43 seconds, right?
Wrong-Direction
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There's another women who done something similar and documented the whole thing, so bizarre
I finished watching Adolesence on Tuesday. Amazing series. The acting of Erin Doherty and Owen Cooper together in the 3rd episode was incredible. It also struck me how different all 4 of the episodes were. (Arrest, School, Psychologist, family aftermath) I also noted for a series starring Stephen Graham, bar a brief appearance at the end of episode 2, he actually didn't appear in half of it.
That was my thought.
Cotton Socks
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I actually thought you were joking!There's another women who done something similar and documented the whole thing, so bizarre
sussex_guy2k2
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I just looked (for research purposes). Both British from the looks of it.There's another women who done something similar and documented the whole thing, so bizarre
Not in my day son, not in my day.