[Albion] Bart Verbruggen SINGS a 5-year deal

[London Irish]

No, he wasn't key. He was involved, but he wasn't key. Caicedo and Mac Allister were key. Steele also ran. We aren't going to agree on this, but Sanchez was just as important to that team as Steele was but neither were difference makers in a positive or negative way.

Lol Steele totally ran the team that finished 6th, everything revolved around his work at the back

 

[London Irish]

Give it a rest, he isn't Dutch No.1 because they listened to the hype. I'd put Steele behind BV but not too far behind.

Onana has nearly 50 international caps - the EPL is harder than the vast majority of international football these days so isn’t much of a gauge

 

[Motogull]

There will almost certainly be a bidding war

There will almost certainly not be a bidding war.

 

[GT49er]

Playing behind the same defence, Steele’s goalkeeping stats were very close to Sanchez’s.

But not quite as good.

The calls to make Verbruggen an ever present last season, because he’s apparently the real deal haven’t been borne out this season. He’s a young work in progress with frequent lapses in key costly moments and can’t save a penalty for toffee.
Aside from the goalkeeping defensive aspects, Steele was brilliant for our creative/offensive game.

Stopping goals, I presume you mean, making saves which gain us points.

This Monday on Talksport Chavs STH Andy Jacobs was scathing of Sanchez’s distribution. Once they went long (due to crowd pressure according to Maresca), their game fell apart because “Sanchez is unable to find a player at any distance”.

We can't help that the Chelsea sheep followed the 'Brighton's third choice GK' trope, as started by devotees of de Zerbi and thought they'd been done again by Brighton. They see his mistakes and don't notice the goals he saves. As for kicking long, before de Zerbi came in and insisted on short passes only, Sanchez had started doing a pretty fair impression of Dunk's 50 yard passes to the feet of Cucu, Mitoma or Pervis flying down the left wing

 

[GT49er]

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[7dialssouthpaw]

Steele is back I think? Shoot me but I’d prefer him in goal over the Bart I’ve been watching recently. At least he doesn’t make many errors with the ball at his feet and pretty well all shots on our goal end up in the back of the net anyway. I think the defence have more faith in Steele too, but that is just a gut feeling, I don’t actually have any evidence for that.

he was excellent at the start of the season

 

[Washie]

Bart is 22. Goalkeepers reach their peak in their late twenties. Bart will be a phenominal GK in a few years.

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Bart is 22. Goalkeepers reach their peak in their late twenties. Bart will be a phenominal GK in a few years.

For someone else.

He'll have made his mistakes in a Brighton shirt.

Not saying i disagree with the process, but this investment in the player should be reflected in the fee we demand

 

[Greg Bobkin]

I don't think many fans/clubs are ever 100% happy with their goalkeeper – more than any other position on the pitch. A bit like bi-polar nature of the the Fab in/out debate, if Bart (or Jason, or whoever) keeps a few clean sheets they are the Albion's next £100m player. But the minute they concede a couple of soft goals, that value plummets to 50p and a packet of Rolos – and numerous offers from fans to drive the keeper to wherever there next club might be.

Based on not a lot, I'm sure similar up and down/in and out debates must go on. Ramsdale, Pickford and Onana, to name just three. I'm sure I've even seen Manchester City fans wanging on about how Ederson needs to be dropped after making a single mistake.

 

[pigmanovich]

I don't think many fans/clubs are every 100% happy with their goalkeeper – more than any other position on the pitch. A bit like bi-polar nature of the the Fab in/out debate, if Bart (or Jason, or whoever) keeps a few clean sheets they are the Albion's next £100m player. But the minute they concede a couple of soft goals, that value plummets to 50p and a packet of Rolos – and numerous offers from fans to drive the keeper to wherever there next club might be.

Based on not a lot, I'm sure similar up and down/in and out debates must go on. Ramsdale, Pickford and Onana, to name just three. I'm sure I've even seen Manchester City fans wanging on about how Ederson needs to be dropped after making a single mistake.

Imagine being an Everton fan and thinking Pickford is dross when he’s been their best player for much of the past few seasons!

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I don't think many fans/clubs are every 100% happy with their goalkeeper – more than any other position on the pitch. A bit like bi-polar nature of the the Fab in/out debate, if Bart (or Jason, or whoever) keeps a few clean sheets they are the Albion's next £100m player. But the minute they concede a couple of soft goals, that value plummets to 50p and a packet of Rolos – and numerous offers from fans to drive the keeper to wherever there next club might be.

Based on not a lot, I'm sure similar up and down/in and out debates must go on. Ramsdale, Pickford and Onana, to name just three. I'm sure I've even seen Manchester City fans wanging on about how Ederson needs to be dropped after making a single mistake.

Is that true? Fans surely accept some keeping mistakes as long as the keeper makes a few saves along the way.

Someone like Kuipers, massively popular and despite the odd shocker, faced no serious calls to be dropped for most of his career here.

I think now there might be more deliniation between the fans who see the games, so see the saves and the all round play and ones who only see 3 minutes highlights.

 

[albionalex]

I don't think many fans/clubs are ever 100% happy with their goalkeeper – more than any other position on the pitch. A bit like bi-polar nature of the the Fab in/out debate, if Bart (or Jason, or whoever) keeps a few clean sheets they are the Albion's next £100m player. But the minute they concede a couple of soft goals, that value plummets to 50p and a packet of Rolos – and numerous offers from fans to drive the keeper to wherever there next club might be.

Based on not a lot, I'm sure similar up and down/in and out debates must go on. Ramsdale, Pickford and Onana, to name just three. I'm sure I've even seen Manchester City fans wanging on about how Ederson needs to be dropped after making a single mistake.

This season, Bart has conceded 5 more goals than he 'should have' (if you're into xG and such).

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

This season, Bart has conceded 5 more goals than he 'should have' (if you're into xG and such).

And without having seen any stats, that feels about right

 

[Bozza]

And without having seen any stats, that feels about right

Opta has our expected goals against (xGA) as 45.0, and we've actually conceded 49 for a difference of -4.0.

5.5 may have been derived from a different xG model.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

Is that true? Fans surely accept some keeping mistakes as long as the keeper makes a few saves along the way.

Someone like Kuipers, massively popular and despite the odd shocker, faced no serious calls to be dropped for most of his career here.

I think now there might be more deliniation between the fans who see the games, so see the saves and the all round play and ones who only see 3 minutes highlights.

Really? Ben Roberts had a big fan club - definitely remember calls for Kuipers to be dropped then.

 

[GT49er]

Is that true? Fans surely accept some keeping mistakes as long as the keeper makes a few saves along the way.

There's a good deal of luck (for the GK) involved in this. If fans think he's good, they'll ignore the odd mistake and rejoice in his game-saving saves. If the are repeatedly told he is sh*t and come to believe it, they will only ever see the mistakes.

Someone like Kuipers, massively popular and despite the odd shocker, faced no serious calls to be dropped for most of his career here.

See above - down to luck and perception. Kuipers was fine, made some great saves. Sanchez was the opposite.

I think now there might be more deliniation between the fans who see the games, so see the saves and the all round play and ones who only see 3 minutes highlights.

I'd have thought less. Fans who don't attend games much have much more information available to them, through TV (and the ability to run and re-run it, t'internet, etc. than back in the day all you had was the Pink'un on Saturday evening and John Vinnicombe's column in the Argus on a Monday!

 

[Barnet Seagull]

I think there's a lot to like but this season hasn't been a great one for Bart. The biggest issue with both Bart and Sanchez is that I had no confidence that they'd ever save a penalty. Steele, at least we have a chance. Still would choose Bart though.

 

[Hometownglory]

I know he's a young keeper but I can't remember the last time he actually won us any points or had the game of his life where he literally stops everything (oppo keepers usually have this when they play us). Surely, you're due the odd one of these..?

Bart obviously has potential but is massively overrated in my view. Without wanting to be too harsh, he just doesn't stop the ball from going into the net, whether that's a pen, near post, through the legs etc.

 

[Dibdab]

But not quite as good.

Stopping goals, I presume you mean, making saves which gain us points.

We can't help that the Chelsea sheep followed the 'Brighton's third choice GK' trope, as started by devotees of de Zerbi and thought they'd been done again by Brighton. They see his mistakes and don't notice the goals he saves. As for kicking long, before de Zerbi came in and insisted on short passes only, Sanchez had started doing a pretty fair impression of Dunk's 50 yard passes to the feet of Cucu, Mitoma or Pervis flying down the left wing

Chelsea fans, after watching him for two seasons, almost to a man think he's the worst keeper that's ever played for them. I'll be kind and say he's not terrible but he is very very average.

 

[albionalex]

And without having seen any stats, that feels about right

And 4 errors that have led to goals.

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