[Albion] Buonanotte and Enciso

[JBizzle]

What I don't understand is why we loaned out these players before we loaned out Gruda. At the weekend, we were basically screwed for a forward player and still didn't bring him on. Surely Facu and Enciso are further ahead and it should be Gruda sent off to a promoted side

I suspect, and I must emphasize that I don't know, that Enciso was sent on loan in Jan because a) he came back injured from the Olympics, b) he'd been desperately underwhelming in his brief appearances, c) he's well behind Pedro and Rutter in the #10 role and, d) because of all of the above, he didn't want to sit on our bench so now he's sitting on Ipswich's.

Buonanotte needs match time. He had a decent season under RDZ (although the absolute dogs abuse he was getting on here for his performances in some quarters seems to have been retrospectively deleted from the collective memory), but probably played more than he was ready to on account of our injury list. The fact is, there must be a reason that he isn't playing in a side as bad as Leicester. Sure, we can all blame the manager, and that may be right, but none of us actually know other than RVNs comments that he's not doing the business in training.

All that said, I don't think the above two are related to Gruda not being sent on loan. Buonanotte went on loan 5 days before the Gruda deal was done and Enciso went because of the pre-stated reasons. When Enciso went, we hadn't lost Rutter for the season or Pedro for three games because he's a thick man-child

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

I suspect, and I must emphasize that I don't know, that Enciso was sent on loan in Jan because a) he came back injured from the Olympics, b) he'd been desperately underwhelming in his brief appearances, c) he's well behind Pedro and Rutter in the #10 role and, d) because of all of the above, he didn't want to sit on our bench so now he's sitting on Ipswich's.

Buonanotte needs match time. He had a decent season under RDZ (although the absolute dogs abuse he was getting on here for his performances in some quarters seems to have been retrospectively deleted from the collective memory), but probably played more than he was ready to on account of our injury list. The fact is, there must be a reason that he isn't playing in a side as bad as Leicester. Sure, we can all blame the manager, and that may be right, but none of us actually know other than RVNs comments that he's not doing the business in training.

All that said, I don't think the above two are related to Gruda not being sent on loan. Buonanotte went on loan 5 days before the Gruda deal was done and Enciso went because of the pre-stated reasons. When Enciso went, we hadn't lost Rutter for the season or Pedro for three games because he's a thick man-child

Hmmm. But we must have known 5 days before we signed Gruda that we were likely to sign him and that given his inexperience he wasn't likely to contribute much

Mostly agree with you on Facu. Who knows, sometimes loans don't work out. With Enciso, again, he might be 3rd choice for a central role, but with careful management that's still plenty of football over the course of the season (especially as he has versatility across the forward line). It's surely better to have a player in the squad like him who is ready to use than a player like Gruda that probably isn't

To me it all smacks a bit, that we're willing to sack off seasons to be a talent factory, to maximise future profit. Which I sort of get, this is our model blah blah. But then when you're in a situation like last weekend, where we need a goal and we don't have any forward options the manager trusts, it sort of suggests we've got the balance between looking at the horizon and trying to win our next game all wrong

 

[CHAPPERS]

he didn't want to sit on our bench so now he's sitting on Ipswich's.

Started the last 7 league games.

 

[JBizzle]

Hmmm. But we must have known 5 days before we signed Gruda that we were likely to sign him and that given his inexperience he wasn't likely to contribute much

Mostly agree with you on Facu. Who knows, sometimes loans don't work out. With Enciso, again, he might be 3rd choice for a central role, but with careful management that's still plenty of football over the course of the season (especially as he has versatility across the forward line). It's surely better to have a player in the squad like him who is ready to use than a player like Gruda that probably isn't

To me it all smacks a bit, that we're willing to sack off seasons to be a talent factory, to maximise future profit. Which I sort of get, this is our model blah blah. But then when you're in a situation like last weekend, where we need a goal and we don't have any forward options the manager trusts, it sort of suggests we've got the balance between looking at the horizon and trying to win our next game all wrong

I don't disagree on any of that to be honest. I was surprised that it wasn't Gruda (or Adingra) coming on for Welbeck, but given that we scored 4 mins later, what do I know?

 

[JBizzle]

Started the last 7 league games.

Oh fair enough, glad he's good enough to start for them. Either way, I suspect he'd have also had some starts here since Rutter got injured. We'll never know, I guess

 

[brighton_tom]

Buonanotte will be back in contention for a first team place here next season. He signed a new contract prior to the loan and it was outlined as very much a development loan rather than just trying to offload him. Just because Leicester have been crap and RVN has been reluctant to start loan players wont change our long term plan for FB.

Enciso probably didnt want to be bench player here behind the likes of Georginio, Pedro, and O'Riley. So him returning will depend heavily on his attitude to work hard, and maybe if Pedro is sold. I would think Enciso may likely be sold, even if Pedro is also off.

 

[albionalba]

The penultimate BHASC Social this season is being held at, a new venue for us, Saltdean Lido at 7.30pm on Wednesday April 23rd

Our very special guest speaker is former Albion skipper and Brighton's Loans Manager, Gordon Greer.
A rare opportunity to learn how the Albion decide on loans, and how they manage our players playing with clubs in the UK and all over Europe.

Go along tonight and ask Gordon.....

 

[Paulie Gualtieri]

On Barco has he left on a permanent deal (obligation to buy at the end of the season) or was it a loan?

Lost track on this but recall it may have been a permanent transfer?

 

[brighton_tom]

On Barco has he left on a permanent deal (obligation to buy at the end of the season) or was it a loan?

Pretty sure there is an obligation to buy.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

On Barco has he left on a permanent deal (obligation to buy at the end of the season) or was it a loan?

Lost track on this but recall it may have been a permanent transfer?

It's been reported that "It is claimed there is an agreement for Strasbourg to sign Barco for £10m with a 10% sellon"

https://metro.co.uk/2025/01/31/chel...e-8m-transfer-to-sign-brighton-star-22476011/

 

[Brian Munich]

Could have all been speculation, but I got the impression after he spent much of the 23-24 season injured that the club weren't very happy that he prioritised the Olympic tournament over doing any sort of preseason training with the club.

 

[brighton_tom]

Could have all been speculation, but I got the impression after he spent much of the 23-24 season injured that the club weren't very happy that he prioritised the Olympic tournament over doing any sort of preseason training with the club.

Wasnt there some vague comments from someone at the club about him not settling at Brighton or it not being the right environment for him. Whether that meant he simply didnt enjoy living in Brighton, or was disruptive, I dont know but I remember there being some comments which suggested it just wasnt a good fit & so its unlikely we'll ever see him here again.

 

[Uh_huh_him]

Could have all been speculation, but I got the impression after he spent much of the 23-24 season injured that the club weren't very happy that he prioritised the Olympic tournament over doing any sort of preseason training with the club.

Didn't we do something similar for MacAllister?

 

[Nobby Cybergoat]

Could have all been speculation, but I got the impression after he spent much of the 23-24 season injured that the club weren't very happy that he prioritised the Olympic tournament over doing any sort of preseason training with the club.

I mean, players are always going to want to play international football. We've had players in much worse states of fitness go off to play for their country

 

[Brian Munich]

Didn't we do something similar for MacAllister?

He certainly played in the 2021 Olympics and our first fixture of the 21-22 season (2-1 win at Burnley). I suppose the main difference was that he'd been fit for most, if not all, of the previous season.

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

Put simply Enciso l would love to see back next season, Buonanotte . . . not so much.

 

[brighton_tom]

Put simply Enciso l would love to see back next season, Buonanotte . . . not so much.

Why? Buonanotte's early season performances looked great, very direct, and great energy about him. Exactly what we may need. Pretty understanding that we've seen less of that once relegated to the bench and he's heard RVN comments about loan players.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

Enciso’s a strange one. For a quite while he just started playing for himself, looking to score more wonder goals after a mazy run.

He'd been out for a long time injured. He hadn't scored for about a year and was desperate to end that run so he took more attempts.

His reaction at full time when we drew away at Brentford last season showed that he cared and was disappointed that he couldn't help us turn the draw into a win when he came on (seemed to be apologising to the fans for our failing to win)

His mazy runs, etc.. were to me at least, evidence of someone trying to change the result and trying to make a difference, giving the attack fresh impetus when we'd looked pretty toothless up to that point.

 

[Commander]

I agree the proof of the pudding is indeed in the eating.

As for Enciso adopting a look at me attitude, it largely coincided with FH arriving. Now I'm no psychology expert but if you have been built up by a former manager who believed in you, your role in the team and footprint on it's swashbuckling style and then a new manager arrives and suggests otherwise in a it's my way or the highway type fashion, might you not too try and showcase why he might be wrong?

Then relegated to the bench with mildly degrading 3 minute end of game cameos until you tow that line, which you do, only to see that you're still not looked upon favourably you might too as a young impressionable and confident in your ability footballer think sod this for a game of soldiers and revert to selfishness?

Again I am not saying Enciso was/is right to do that but we saw a much more team oriented player under RDZ who had the sublime and solo effort in his locker from time to time than we did under Fab. I would also suggest that after his goal against Man City TB expected Enciso to be the next product off the shelf for a very high bid but instead we will have to consider a cut price sale with only 18 months left on his contract and unless there's a change of manager and return to the starting XI I doubt his entourage will be rushing to commit to another 4/5 years.

This decision for TB is incredibly complex as for the model to work the show ponies have to be erm showcased and with FH i'm not sure he's backed the right horse to do that. Either in style or man management.

There's a reason our squad is stocked to the gills with young gifted flambouyant AM/AMC/WNG/CFs it's because sexy SELLS but it only does so if it's showcased.

It's a bit like running a brothel and employing exceptionally attractive units but only putting munters in the shop window. Sure they MAY get the job done but are you going to be able to charge ££££££ if the merchandise is dull? Nope.

I'm sure my comments will draw multiple levels of criticism for not romanticising the adventure we're on with TB but ultimately his model is buy young, undervalued commodities, help them on their way and then flog them off for as much as possible to brave gullible fools who love glittering prizes to show off to their mates.

From what I heard, RDZ also thought Enciso was a total twat. So I'm not sure your theory is correct there.

 

[Commander]

Put simply Enciso l would love to see back next season, Buonanotte . . . not so much.

Complete opposite for me. Buenonotte did not look (that) out of place playing in central midfield in the Premier League at 18 years old. He looked better than MacAllister did in our team when 3 years younger. He is going to be an absolutely top class player. Enciso, not so much. Awful decision making and a bit of an attitude problem, despite an amazing talent. Expect he'll go to a second rate Spanish team in the Summer.