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[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

Who will win the 2024 Presidential Election?

  • President Joe Biden - Democrat

    Votes: 3 0.7%
  • Donald Trump - Republican

    Votes: 175 42.3%
  • Vice President, Kamala Harris - Democrat

    Votes: 216 52.2%
  • Other Democratic candidate tbc

    Votes: 20 4.8%

  • Total voters
    414
  • Poll closed .


SouthSaxon

Stand or fall
NSC Patron
Jan 25, 2025
869
Got a whiff of the Truss budget about it all.

"No no no the budget is fine, it's that pesky establishment and whatnot causing all the problems"

Matter of fact what is it with economic policy and surnames that begin with "Tru" ?

Maniacs. All both of them.
The difference being Trump’s grandiose narcissism compared to Truss just being really thick and a bit mad.

I’m confident Trump will outlast the lettuce, is what I’m saying.
 




vegster

Sanity Clause
May 5, 2008
28,445
Something I lifted from FB, suddenly everything makes sense.....

This was shared by a much loved and very traumatised relative in America
May be a black-and-white image of 1 person



https://www.facebook.com/groups/476...ee1gtn_6P6thDZyczkwJuFkkk4KTo&__tn__=<<,P-y-R
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I know a little something that so many do not appreciate about Donald, but that those of us who worked with him in the financial services game have known for many decades—LONG before he ever made a run at politics.
His stated motives rarely reveal his true agenda. His showmanship and charisma bedazzles the uninformed, which is exactly how he likes it.
He never signed a contract or met an agreement he wouldn’t violate or wriggle out of if it suited his hidden agenda. He never met an investor whose purse he didn’t consider his own in some strategic way. And he never met a human being he wouldn’t screw in order to advance or satisfy himself.
If you want to understand his beef with Panama, don’t look at the canal to which he now points. Look at Trump enterprises and their fraught financial and criminal relationship with Panama, and look to the Russian oligarchs who bought condos in his Panama Tower.
If you want to understand his fixation with Gaza, don’t look at the Palestinian or Israeli people; look at the real estate value he now perceives that Gaza holds, and he’d like to unlock.
If you want to understand his insane, obsessive beef with energy renewable windmills, don’t look at the wind energy aspect; look at his beef with Scotland over his golf course and the nearby windmills that damaged his idea of its aesthetics.
If you want to understand his irrational hatred of Obama, don’t look at the policies of the Obama administration; look to the annual press corp dinner where Obama poked fun at him and bruised his ego. If you want to understand his demonization of Democrats, look not to Democratic social policy, but to the fact they didn’t want him to run under color of their party.
If you want to understand his hatred of “immigrants” don’t look to the actual contributions and challenges related to immigration, but to his own germophobia and personal disgust for all things “dirty and brown.”
What he does SO masterfully, as many sociopaths do, is figure out how to align, however temporarily, his own personal agenda with the drives of those he can then USE to help him execute it. And the GOP fell right in line with that abusive strategy.
The GOP now looks much like a battered wife who would LOVE to quit Trump, but who also knows their financial security, personal comfort, and social status would collapse if they ran away. And they fear they won’t get much sympathy or support from the people who tried to warn them not to marry the dude—a serial, liar, cheater, thief, sadist, and a generally Bad Person.
Many of the GOP politicians today are busily masking their own abuse from the general public; at some point, however, as they watch their power continue to erode, their reputations get smashed, and themselves get blamed for the extensive abuse they now suffer, something’s gonna give.
I don’t know what it is, but every bone in my body FEELS an energetic convergence heading toward a massive, MASSIVE explosion—coming soon.
Author ~ Eilene Workman
 


BLOCK F

Well-known member
Feb 26, 2009
6,922
I think the real problem that every government around the world has is how seriously to take these tariffs, because with the stroke of a pen they're gone. They could be gone tonight, or tomorrow or June 26th. Who knows. It could happen at any time, for any or no reason. So how do you build a response to it? How do you agree a deal? It might be that if enough World leaders basically ignored the tariffs, or helped out their industries to off-set the short term pain, how long would it take for Trump to have to backtrack?

I think we would be better off just sitting it out and waiting out Trump. How long will Americans be happy to go without coffee, or by paying hugely over the odds for it? Hawaii can't produce enough coffee to ensure the supply chain won't be disrupted, so that's going to be a massive hit to regular consumers.
Let alone the huge hit to their retirement and investment funds!
 


US Seagull

Well-known member
Jul 17, 2003
5,618
Cleveland, OH
I think the real problem that every government around the world has is how seriously to take these tariffs, because with the stroke of a pen they're gone. They could be gone tonight, or tomorrow or June 26th. Who knows. It could happen at any time, for any or no reason. So how do you build a response to it? How do you agree a deal? It might be that if enough World leaders basically ignored the tariffs, or helped out their industries to off-set the short term pain, how long would it take for Trump to have to backtrack?

I think we would be better off just sitting it out and waiting out Trump. How long will Americans be happy to go without coffee, or by paying hugely over the odds for it? Hawaii can't produce enough coffee to ensure the supply chain won't be disrupted, so that's going to be a massive hit to regular consumers.
Exactly this. In the Senate they voted to end the "emergency" that Trump claims gives him the ability to set tariffs with no input from congress. Mike Johnson, the speaker of the House won't allow anybody to bring a similar measure to the floor of the House, but that could change pretty quickly as the full extend of this shit show becomes clear.

Yesterday the Senate was working on a bipartisan bill (Trade Review Act of 2025) that would require Trump to give 48 hours notice of new tariffs and make them expire after 60 days unless congress votes to keep them. And end immediately if they voted to remove them. There is Republican support in congress including Thom Tillis (NC), John Kennedy (LA), Ron Johnson (WI), Susan Collins (ME) and Chuck Grassley (IA). It'll find it harder to get through the House, and then Trump will no doubt veto it.

So it would need a veto proof majority, which is a tough ask, but not impossible. It would take around 20 Republicans in the Senate and about 80 in the House. It's a lot, but not impossible. Voting to end the emergency would be easier. The Trade Review Act of 2025 would be a more "permanent" fix.
 






pb21

Well-known member
Apr 23, 2010
6,972
Exactly this. In the Senate they voted to end the "emergency" that Trump claims gives him the ability to set tariffs with no input from congress. Mike Johnson, the speaker of the House won't allow anybody to bring a similar measure to the floor of the House, but that could change pretty quickly as the full extend of this shit show becomes clear.

Yesterday the Senate was working on a bipartisan bill (Trade Review Act of 2025) that would require Trump to give 48 hours notice of new tariffs and make them expire after 60 days unless congress votes to keep them. And end immediately if they voted to remove them. There is Republican support in congress including Thom Tillis (NC), John Kennedy (LA), Ron Johnson (WI), Susan Collins (ME) and Chuck Grassley (IA). It'll find it harder to get through the House, and then Trump will no doubt veto it.

So it would need a veto proof majority, which is a tough ask, but not impossible. It would take around 20 Republicans in the Senate and about 80 in the House. It's a lot, but not impossible. Voting to end the emergency would be easier. The Trade Review Act of 2025 would be a more "permanent" fix.
I was wondering about the politics of this as I understood that the President cant unilaterally set tariffs unless a national emergency, which was the (tenuous) justification for Mexico/Canada tariffs, in order to reduce the drug issue.

Not sure how he can apply 50% or whatever it is to Vietnam on the basis that they export a load of trainers and dont buy enough US cars, causing a national emergency.

But as you say congress needs to be involved, so could this all be a nothing burger?
 


Green Cross Code Man

Wunt be druv
Mar 30, 2006
21,142
Eastbourne
Has anyone made a concious non-US purchase yet? I bought a drill from Screwfix earlier. I was going to get a deWalt but chose a German brand instead after a quick bit of research for recommendations on various DIY forums.
Yep, I like a whisky, in moderation of course, and although I know it's not to eveyone's taste I enjoy a bourbon but not any longer while that orange idiot is wrecking decades of goodwill and sending the world down the toilet.
 
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Cordwainer

Well-known member
Jul 30, 2023
934
Something I lifted from FB, suddenly everything makes sense.....

This was shared by a much loved and very traumatised relative in America
May be a black-and-white image of 1 person

https://www.facebook.com/groups/476197496373674/user/100002574906407/?__cft__[0]=AZVQXOS57YngvVtRjTXi4IBlu5lgP5WBvtaJJpoqoSIFyljD7TS-or6Xm_ya6M75z6CgiOhM9BEb-8HawL4Objg9gnOWYM69mSoHlUzEdyswahPtuvakpMLDY3bqP69GRkLrs0Fr_y5ZNR-l3HDcQIS3e6UGzY8ABlTdkae0FaYKuI9CMFO8OIH2587okDnG8K9qIGqPspKO2WnT6274E8cEhYclD2xSqJ3SYaee1gtn_6P6thDZyczkwJuFkkk4KTo&__tn__=<<,P-y-R
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I know a little something that so many do not appreciate about Donald, but that those of us who worked with him in the financial services game have known for many decades—LONG before he ever made a run at politics.
His stated motives rarely reveal his true agenda. His showmanship and charisma bedazzles the uninformed, which is exactly how he likes it.
He never signed a contract or met an agreement he wouldn’t violate or wriggle out of if it suited his hidden agenda. He never met an investor whose purse he didn’t consider his own in some strategic way. And he never met a human being he wouldn’t screw in order to advance or satisfy himself.
If you want to understand his beef with Panama, don’t look at the canal to which he now points. Look at Trump enterprises and their fraught financial and criminal relationship with Panama, and look to the Russian oligarchs who bought condos in his Panama Tower.
If you want to understand his fixation with Gaza, don’t look at the Palestinian or Israeli people; look at the real estate value he now perceives that Gaza holds, and he’d like to unlock.
If you want to understand his insane, obsessive beef with energy renewable windmills, don’t look at the wind energy aspect; look at his beef with Scotland over his golf course and the nearby windmills that damaged his idea of its aesthetics.
If you want to understand his irrational hatred of Obama, don’t look at the policies of the Obama administration; look to the annual press corp dinner where Obama poked fun at him and bruised his ego. If you want to understand his demonization of Democrats, look not to Democratic social policy, but to the fact they didn’t want him to run under color of their party.
If you want to understand his hatred of “immigrants” don’t look to the actual contributions and challenges related to immigration, but to his own germophobia and personal disgust for all things “dirty and brown.”
What he does SO masterfully, as many sociopaths do, is figure out how to align, however temporarily, his own personal agenda with the drives of those he can then USE to help him execute it. And the GOP fell right in line with that abusive strategy.
The GOP now looks much like a battered wife who would LOVE to quit Trump, but who also knows their financial security, personal comfort, and social status would collapse if they ran away. And they fear they won’t get much sympathy or support from the people who tried to warn them not to marry the dude—a serial, liar, cheater, thief, sadist, and a generally Bad Person.
Many of the GOP politicians today are busily masking their own abuse from the general public; at some point, however, as they watch their power continue to erode, their reputations get smashed, and themselves get blamed for the extensive abuse they now suffer, something’s gonna give.
I don’t know what it is, but every bone in my body FEELS an energetic convergence heading toward a massive, MASSIVE explosion—coming soon.
Author ~ Eilene Workman
I think that’s excellent. Imagine Trump will dismiss it as written by the very nasty Eilene Wokeman.
 




A1X

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Sep 1, 2017
22,507
Deepest, darkest Sussex


Titanic

Super Moderator
Helpful Moderator
Jul 5, 2003
40,299
West Sussex

How the markets are looking, four hours after the NYSE's opening bellpublished at 18:31
18:31​


It's been a whirlwind day for global markets. Here's how things are looking as of 13:30 EST (18:30 BST).

  • The S&P 500 index has fallen even further, and is now down 5.3%
  • The Nasdaq is down 5.2%
  • The Dow Jones is down 4.3%
Meanwhile:

  • Oil prices are down 7.5% so far today
  • The price of gold has sunk 2.4%
 


beorhthelm

A. Virgo, Football Genius
Jul 21, 2003
36,432

How the markets are looking, four hours after the NYSE's opening bellpublished at 18:31​

18:31​


It's been a whirlwind day for global markets. Here's how things are looking as of 13:30 EST (18:30 BST).

  • The S&P 500 index has fallen even further, and is now down 5.3%
  • The Nasdaq is down 5.2%
  • The Dow Jones is down 4.3%
Meanwhile:

  • Oil prices are down 7.5% so far today
  • The price of gold has sunk 2.4%
oil is the canary indicator, means markets are expecting a large decline in manufacturing and transportation. recession by end of year if something doesn't change.
 




Scappa

Well-known member
Jul 5, 2017
1,841
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pb21

Well-known member
Apr 23, 2010
6,972

How the markets are looking, four hours after the NYSE's opening bellpublished at 18:31​

18:31​


It's been a whirlwind day for global markets. Here's how things are looking as of 13:30 EST (18:30 BST).

  • The S&P 500 index has fallen even further, and is now down 5.3%
  • The Nasdaq is down 5.2%
  • The Dow Jones is down 4.3%
Meanwhile:

  • Oil prices are down 7.5% so far today
  • The price of gold has sunk 2.4%
BTC up 1% :unsure:
oil is the canary indicator, means markets are expecting a large decline in manufacturing and transportation. recession by end of year if something doesn't change.
Definitely mainly this, but also read that OPEC have agreed to increase supply or something like that, which is a factor.

 
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raymondo

Well-known member
Apr 26, 2017
9,449
Wiltshire
Too late to move to safer funds and cash?

Imho this will worsen.
Yes, that's my fear for the short/ medium term - as analysts and CFOs publish the impacts on key companies, I think it has further to fall.

Of course, Trump can reverse things at any time, but the markets could be volatile for a long time.
 


raymondo

Well-known member
Apr 26, 2017
9,449
Wiltshire
Exactly this. In the Senate they voted to end the "emergency" that Trump claims gives him the ability to set tariffs with no input from congress. Mike Johnson, the speaker of the House won't allow anybody to bring a similar measure to the floor of the House, but that could change pretty quickly as the full extend of this shit show becomes clear.

Yesterday the Senate was working on a bipartisan bill (Trade Review Act of 2025) that would require Trump to give 48 hours notice of new tariffs and make them expire after 60 days unless congress votes to keep them. And end immediately if they voted to remove them. There is Republican support in congress including Thom Tillis (NC), John Kennedy (LA), Ron Johnson (WI), Susan Collins (ME) and Chuck Grassley (IA). It'll find it harder to get through the House, and then Trump will no doubt veto it.

So it would need a veto proof majority, which is a tough ask, but not impossible. It would take around 20 Republicans in the Senate and about 80 in the House. It's a lot, but not impossible. Voting to end the emergency would be easier. The Trade Review Act of 2025 would be a more "permanent" fix.
Interesting thanks. '60 days ' is still a long time though 😬.
 




raymondo

Well-known member
Apr 26, 2017
9,449
Wiltshire
Got a whiff of the Truss budget about it all.

"No no no the budget is fine, it's that pesky establishment and whatnot causing all the problems"

Matter of fact what is it with economic policy and surnames that begin with "Tru" ?

Maniacs. All both of them.
You are right:
Truly trust not in Truss, truculent Trump, or 'Truthsocial'.
 




Weststander

Well-known member
NSC Patron
Aug 25, 2011
72,348
Withdean area
Yes, that's my fear for the short/ medium term - as analysts and CFOs publish the impacts on key companies, I think it has further to fall.

Of course, Trump can reverse things at any time, but the markets could be volatile for a long time.

I had a brief glance at the other recent bear markets … post dotcom, the 2007/08 Great Recession & banking crisis, the Pandemic start and 2022. Other than the Pandemic, they were not short n sweet with all asset prices recovered in weeks. And that was without Trump inflicting long term Joseph Chamberlain or Smoot-Hawley type damage.
 




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