[Albion] Fab's pre-West Ham presser

[ROSM]

Oooh, good shout. Sacked for the same reason as Hughton, IIRC, and also because he wasn't a Bloom hire

Just before Bloom moved Knight out and became chairman we had stayed up on the last day of the season.

The morning of that game saw newspaper reports saying irrespective of the result, Slade would be replaced by Dennis Wise and his asst from his time at leeds.

I believe Knight, incensed by these comments, after the game gave Slade a new contract.

Then Bloom took over.

At a supporters' event attended by Ken Brown the erstwhile General manager faced comments about Wise and many saying he shouldn't be allowed anywhere near the club. Brown made an impassioned defence of Wise including the wonderful phrase 'there's nothing wrong with Dennis Wise, he delivered me the opportunity of a seat in the royal box at Cardiff when Millwall got to the cup final'.

Apparently a number of journos who had been fed the Wise story believed the leak came from.....Ken Brown.

Less than 6 months later Slade was gone and replaced by Gus Poyet who had been asst to Dennis Wise at Leeds.

 

[Swegulls]

He’s made a lot of subs in part because we’ve had so many players that have needed their minutes managing (because of the injury situation).

This is the BBC article you’re referring to I suspect https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/cx2gl2j8x54o

…and here’s sub effectiveness from a goal involvement perspective

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I just wonder what Villa do to keep their players fit? Lots of subs by Emery (as well as Hürz), games every time I turn on the tv it seems, not many injuries etc.

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

screwed. this is must win. Not really for our season but for FH!

A tad of an exagerration re our Head Coach. I really don't think we are anywhere near that scenario yet.

At least as far as Uncle Tony and the board are concerned anyway.

 

[amexer]

I will be really cheesed off if Baleba plays again at CB when we have a £9m CB who I assume was very good in championship.

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

I'd imagine Veltman wouldn't be risked to be a starter.
And Cashin and Tasker unlikely to be PL experienced enough to be starters.

I'd therefore expect Baleba to once again be playing alongside Dunk in defence.

Bart
Hinshelwood - Dunk - Baleba - Estupinan
Weiffer
O'Riley - Gomez
Minteh - Welbeck - Mitoma

Not happy to see Carlos having to fill in at the back again as we do need him in midfield. That said l don't think we have too much choice, so reluctantly that's the starting eleven l would go for too.

 

[albionalex]

If Veltman is fit, he should start CB.

 

[GT49er]

half our issues against Leicester was we lost the midfield 2nd half with Baleba CB

..............and with Hinsh stuck at RB.

To win this game we have to control the midfield , Baleba is crucial to that.

Important, yes - but providing we've got the right two (not one like we had against Leicester) in there, they should be adequate without him.

 

[Cowfold Seagull]

If Veltman is fit, he should start CB.

Maybe, but he hasn't been on the pitch for a long long time. Same situ with Igor, except he has been missing for even longer.

Bench at the very best for me.

 

[Machiavelli]

I just wonder what Villa do to keep their players fit? Lots of subs by Emery (as well as Hürz), games every time I turn on the tv it seems, not many injuries etc.

The best explanation I've heard is that the bigger clubs have a higher proportion of players in their 'peak' (24-30yo) who are less prone to injury. We, on the other hand, have (one of) the lowest due to our recruitment strategy.
There's also the issue of transitioning from one training/playing regime to another. Perhaps surprisingly, the 'intensity' of training under RDZ was not that onerous, whereas it is under FH, as is the playing style. It'll take a while for the players to be conditioned to those requirements and that explains some of the injuries from this season -- although by no means all. The hope is that the squad is better conditioned next season and our injury count subsides.

 

[chaileyjem]

The best explanation I've heard is that the bigger clubs have a higher proportion of players in their 'peak' (24-30yo) who are less prone to injury. We, on the other hand, have (one of) the lowest due to our recruitment strategy.
There's also the issue of transitioning from one training/playing regime to another. Perhaps surprisingly, the 'intensity' of training under RDZ was not that onerous, whereas it is under FH, as is the playing style. It'll take a while for the players to be conditioned to those requirements and that explains some of the injuries from this season -- although by no means all. The hope is that the squad is better conditioned next season and our injury count subsides.

I thought - from multiple players reflecting on their time under him as a coach - that training under RDZ was actually just as onerous as to get those patterns and playing out the back style - perfected - required hours on the training ground. Doing stuff over and over. ??
Perhaps it tailed off a bit once mastered !

 

[Arthritic Toe]

If Igor isn't fully available and Cash isn't deemed ready, I think I'd rather Weiffer in at CB and keep Baleba in CM

Agreed - we need a centre back who can go down when touched, then wave his arms around after they score.

 

[Swegulls]

The best explanation I've heard is that the bigger clubs have a higher proportion of players in their 'peak' (24-30yo) who are less prone to injury. We, on the other hand, have (one of) the lowest due to our recruitment strategy.
There's also the issue of transitioning from one training/playing regime to another. Perhaps surprisingly, the 'intensity' of training under RDZ was not that onerous, whereas it is under FH, as is the playing style. It'll take a while for the players to be conditioned to those requirements and that explains some of the injuries from this season -- although by no means all. The hope is that the squad is better conditioned next season and our injury count subsides.

That sounds like a reasonable explanation. Let's hope next season will be better than the last two, it can't continue like this!

 

[dazzer6666]

The best explanation I've heard is that the bigger clubs have a higher proportion of players in their 'peak' (24-30yo) who are less prone to injury. We, on the other hand, have (one of) the lowest due to our recruitment strategy.
There's also the issue of transitioning from one training/playing regime to another. Perhaps surprisingly, the 'intensity' of training under RDZ was not that onerous, whereas it is under FH, as is the playing style. It'll take a while for the players to be conditioned to those requirements and that explains some of the injuries from this season -- although by no means all. The hope is that the squad is better conditioned next season and our injury count subsides.

Not heard that but it makes sense.…..our squad feels at least to be mainly younger players (higher injury risk) and older, experienced players (higher risk) and few peak/mid-career (conditioned, lower risk) players - perhaps like JPVH and Mitoma, who (unless whacked) don’t seem to pick up as many injuries as some.

Going to do a bit of research

 

[Machiavelli]

I thought - from multiple players reflecting on their time under him as a coach - that training under RDZ was actually just as onerous as to get those patterns and playing out the back style - perfected - required hours on the training ground. Doing stuff over and over. ??
Perhaps it tailed off a bit once mastered !

I'm sure you're right on this, and I probably didn't make my point clear enough. It's the physical side of the training -- intensive sprinting, endurance, etc -- that is more prominent under FH than RDZ. Bozza has said as much and there was a Naylor article reinforcing it. The RDZ training was more 'cerebral' and tactical I'd imagine.
I always thought that the merry band of fitness coaches that went with him meant that the squad were pushed physically hard during training.

 

[Hometownglory]

Only for the whiney bitches, I guess.

And Danny Welbeck...

 

[WATFORD zero]

I'm sure you're right on this, and I probably didn't make my point clear enough. It's the physical side of the training -- intensive sprinting, endurance, etc -- that is more prominent under FH than RDZ. Bozza has said as much and there was a Naylor article reinforcing it. The RDZ training was more 'cerebral' and tactical I'd imagine.
I always thought that the merry band of fitness coaches that went with him meant that the squad were pushed physically hard during training.

Somewhere at the back of my mind, I think I remember Liverpool having a lot of injuries when Klopp first arrived and this was put down to the intensity of his training. But I believe that as the players got 'conditioned' to the high intensity, the injuries lessened.

Or I might be talking bolleux (not unknown)

 

[albionalex]

Maybe, but he hasn't been on the pitch for a long long time. Same situ with Igor, except he has been missing for even longer.

Bench at the very best for me.

We have 5 cup finals left, we need to play our strongest team.

 

[GrizzlingGammon]

And Danny Welbeck...

I would expect him to try and win every game.

 

[Bozza]

We have 5 cup finals left, we need to play our strongest team.

Not sure a strongest team is much good if some of the players only have 30 minutes in them.

It's the reason why Solly March isn't being considered for a start.

I struggle to think that either Veltman or Lamptey will be capable of anything more than a half, if that. With that in mind, Hurzeler would need to take care as to how many baked-in substitutions he starts with, as it will limit his options for making subs if and when he has no choice.

 

[Machiavelli]

Somewhere at the back of my mind, I think I remember Liverpool having a lot of injuries when Klopp first arrived and this was put down to the intensity of his training. But I believe that as the players got 'conditioned' to the high intensity, the injuries lessened.

Or I might be talking bolleux (not unknown)

I've used precisely the same example in the past so, as per usual, we're talking the same bolleaux (although only one of us can spell what spews out of our orifice)