[News] Is Trump a Russian stooge or just a very dangerous America 1st expansionist?

[aftershavedave]

So, this man and his (?) stooges are changing the world order....

 

[aftershavedave]

This thread has not been authorised by the owner of the Trump thread btw, hey ho

 

[Han Solo]

He is a puppet of enlightened capital, like everyone else who gets a gig like that.

The strongest magic is that of illusion... and the view shared by both his fans and opponents - that he is anti-establishment - is certainly illusion.

 

[Albion my Albion]

Both. And an idiot!

 

[beorhthelm]

wanting Greenland for security and being a Russian stooge seem incompatible, so expansionist it is.

 

[aftershavedave]

wanting Greenland for security and being a Russian stooge seem incompatible, so expansionist it is.

what if the prime reason is actually minerals?

 

[GT49er]

Is Trump a Russian stooge or just a very dangerous America 1st expansionist?​

Both.

 

[osgood]

...is the $64,000 dollar question , ($80,000 with tariff) !

 

[sparkie]

Putin is the boss in that relationship for sure.

 

[vegster]

I don't really know what he is but, he's systematically destroying the United States. And worst of all there seems to be no way of stopping him whatever he does.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

So. Does the world just roll over and allow this big orange baby to drag the planet into a global recession? Or does a grown-up step in at some point? Answers on a postcard please...

 

[Couldn't Be Hyypia]

So. Does the world just roll over and allow this big orange baby to drag the planet into a global recession? Or does a grown-up step in at some point? Answers on a postcard please...

What the hell can anyone do? The 79m who voted for him gave him the keys to the door and now he's charging around smashing the place up.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

So. Does the world just roll over and allow this big orange baby to drag the planet into a global recession? Or does a grown-up step in at some point? Answers on a postcard please...

Or does the world start to realise they don’t need the US? Like counties weaned themselves off Russian gas maybe we can let them get on with it and the rest of the world can all trade and work with each other?

If Trump wants a new world order let him have it?

 

[Simster]

Or does the world start to realise they don’t need the US? Like counties weaned themselves off Russian gas maybe we can let them get on with it and the rest of the world can all trade and work with each other?

If Trump wants a new world order let him have it?

Although this doesn't apply to us because we're out of the evil EU and have the sPeSHaL reLaTioNsHiP.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Or does the world start to realise they don’t need the US? Like counties weaned themselves off Russian gas maybe we can let them get on with it and the rest of the world can all trade and work with each other?

If Trump wants a new world order let him have it?

I think if the US really does go toe to toe with China, there's only one winner. And it's not the one with Trump in charge. That's not saying that China being the dominant force and global leader is the best way forward, but I don't think Trump has the patience, intelligence or support to completely change the course of the US.

 

[Peteinblack]

Or does the world start to realise they don’t need the US? Like counties weaned themselves off Russian gas maybe we can let them get on with it and the rest of the world can all trade and work with each other?

If Trump wants a new world order let him have it?

Yes, I do hope that our political leaders finally realise that the "special relationship" no longer exists (assuming it ever did - was more special to post-Empire Britain than the US).

But of course, acknowledging this this would make Brexit look like an even bigger act of delusional national self-harm, yet Starmer still sees to be terrified of upsetting the Red Wall and the Daily Express/Mail by promoting closer ties with Europe!

So we'll languish in not-so-splendid isolation.

A mid-ranking country and diminished international power adrift from Europe, with an uninspiring leader, but trying to convince ourselves that we're better than we really are - Britain & Hove Albion

 

[timbha]

Yes, I do hope that our political leaders finally realise that the "special relationship" no longer exists (assuming it ever did - was more special to post-Empire Britain than the US).

But of course, acknowledging this this would make Brexit look like an even bigger act of delusional national self-harm!

Another Brexit/Remain referendum would be very timely

 

[Sirnormangall]

Is Trump a Russian stooge or just a very dangerous America 1st expansionist?​

Both.

…and he’s also many other things

 

[Stato]

What the hell can anyone do? The 79m who voted for him gave him the keys to the door and now he's charging around smashing the place up.

Yep. When we had our own misguided wrecker in Number 10, the men in grey suits did what was necessary. The US system gives far too much power to the executive. The president is like a monarch, but with political rather than ceremonial power. In terms of the lack of fairness in hereditary power, I have always been instinctively anti monarchist, but once I studied politics, I realised that our system has it's advantages. Of course we had a civil war, restoration and 'glorious' bloodless revolution to get to it. (88/89 years before they wrote the constitution that they seem to think was the first word in democracy).

 

[beorhthelm]

Yep. When we had our own misguided wrecker in Number 10, the men in grey suits did what was necessary. The US system gives far too much power to the executive. The president is like a monarch, but with political rather than ceremonial power. In terms of the lack of fairness in hereditary power, I have always been instinctively anti monarchist, but once I studied politics, I realised that our system has it's advantages. Of course we had a civil war, restoration and 'glorious' bloodless revolution to get to it. (88/89 years before they wrote the constitution that they seem to think was the first word in democracy).

the President was suppposed to be very unlike a monarch, with limited actual power. Congress is supposed to wield the real power, the trouble is they seem happy to go along with Trump at present. and as they largely got voted in on that mandate, they'll carry on for a while.