[Politics] Donald Trump, US President

[Green Cross Code Man]

The EU will do what they have always done, and that is whatever is best for the EU economically, politically and security-wise. That has always been with the UK as a major player in the EU and they've always made it very clear that they didn't want us to leave.

The big difference being that they would take a sensible mature position on it and unlike so many who got us into this complete clusterf***, they wouldn't be so petty as to cut off their nose to spite their face

I would contest that. One of my biggest disagreements with the EU was the way the EU favoured Italian farmers and French for example with the CAP. There were other points I would also have disagreed with at the time, but it seems very futile to bring them up. The world has indeed changed and I regret very much that Brexit occurred, not many of us, whichever side of the Brexit argument we were on, would have predicted an unfettered Russia and a completely mad USA at this point. Provided the EU was not punitive, and I agree with @Thunder Bolt here that there is no reason to suppose it would be in these circumstances, then I would wholeheartedly vote to rejoin.

 

[Cordwainer]

Amongst the latest sh!te to fall out of his mouth, Trump seems to think trade deals have been unfair, because eg China have sold millions of cars in the US, but haven’t bought the same numbers of US cars in China? Even with his trans fat riddled brain, he surely can’t believe this is the way ‘trade’ works?

 

[SouthSaxon]

It will be lose-lose regardless of what we do. If we give in then he’ll f**k us over again and again, so imho we effectively tell him to go forth by mirroring his every move. He needs something to react against so mirroring takes that option away.

Yeah, I’m assuming that what you’re advocating is the “f*** you too” option?

 

[A1X]

 

[Pavilionaire]

The world has indeed changed and I regret very much that Brexit occurred, not many of us, whichever side of the Brexit argument we were on, would have predicted an unfettered Russia and a completely mad USA at this point.

I completely disagree. In June 2016 Putin had already taken Ukraine 2 years earlier, while Trump was on the 2016 Presidential Campaign Trail with his MAGA bollocks. Many Remainers - myself included - were saying that the world was only likely to get more dangerous.

Too many people took 71 years of relative peace for granted. It is no surprise Farage downplayed it back then, given we now see his true colours defending Trump's neo-fascism and appeasement to Russia.

I confidently predict the world will get even more dangerous what with Trump giving Israel the green light to act with impunity, Russia economically weak, China itching to seize territory and NATO nearing the point of break-up. The only hope is we get through the next 4 years, then see regime change and get some grown-ups back in the room.

 

[South Stand Bonfire]

Sorry I really don't think certain members of the EU will see that. We left therefore we must be punished even if we rejoin. Conditions imposed would be horrendous.

We won’t rejoin the EU (in my lifetime anyway) but the current global situation gives the opportunity for both the EU and the UK to agree a better mutually beneficial trading/market arrangement and save face at the same time by blaming Trump as the reason it’s needed. I hope they both grasp the opportunity.

 

[Triggaaar]

You're not being just a little bit pedantic are you Trig ? Most unlike you

I was joining a conversation about gramma, so the I had the choice of being pedantic or being wrong

 

[Dorset Seagull]

I completely disagree. In June 2016 Putin had already taken Ukraine 2 years earlier, while Trump was on the 2016 Presidential Campaign Trail with his MAGA bollocks. Many Remainers - myself included - were saying that the world was only likely to get more dangerous.

Too many people took 71 years of relative peace for granted. It is no surprise Farage downplayed it back then, given we now see his true colours defending Trump's neo-fascism and appeasement to Russia.

I confidently predict the world will get even more dangerous what with Trump giving Israel the green light to act with impunity, Russia economically weak, China itching to seize territory and NATO nearing the point of break-up. The only hope is we get through the next 4 years, then see regime change and get some grown-ups back in the room.

The only way the grown ups get back in the room is if there is a revolution as bumble will have the elections rigged for sure

 

[Triggaaar]

Oh, I do love a linguistic diversion His "less" was referring directly to months so "fewer" would be technically correct.

No, that's incorrect.


2 months and 15 days is less than 3 months. It's not fewer than three months.

If you want fewer than three months you can have zero, one or two months. So when something is done in less time than 3 months, it's done in less than 3 months.

In everyday conversation, only a massive pedant would pick someone up on the use of less rather than fewer.

I can't stand people saying less when it should be fewer, but on this occasion, less is correct.

 

[South Stand Bonfire]

That's what I, as a remainer, used to think. There will be some member states who may now feel like this,
but I don't think France and, especially, Germany will see it that way.
And he who pays the piper (the EU central coffers) calls the tune.

That said, I can't see Starmer mooting 'rejoin' yet. There would be media carnage.
"The Great EU Betrayal"; "Labour hands over sovereignty" etc.

But if there is a clear 'click' in the mechanism, and it suddenly becomes clear to everyone that being outside the EU
is like being found naked on stage at Wembley, with half your rectum hanging out of your anus,
Starmer may make a move.

And, the scenes that will follow will be gory to behold

Not quite the first economic analogy that would initially spring to my mind, but I agree with your logic and the principle!

 

[SouthSaxon]

"I see no iceberg!"

I recall Liz Truss saying something very similar

 

[Is it PotG?]

I recall Liz Truss saying something very similar

Reeves is hardly settling matters down domestically.

 

[WATFORD zero]

I would contest that. One of my biggest disagreements with the EU was the way the EU favoured Italian farmers and French for example with the CAP. There were other points I would also have disagreed with at the time, but it seems very futile to bring them up. The world has indeed changed and I regret very much that Brexit occurred, not many of us, whichever side of the Brexit argument we were on, would have predicted an unfettered Russia and a completely mad USA at this point. Provided the EU was not punitive, and I agree with @Thunder Bolt here that there is no reason to suppose it would be in these circumstances, then I would wholeheartedly vote to rejoin.

I think we will have to agree to disagree on the first point. Germany, the UK and France always had the biggest benefits from the EU, in that order, on account of being the most powerful. The rest of your post I agree with completely but it may take a good while until we're the second most powerful nation in Europe again

 

[WATFORD zero]

Reeves is hardly settling matters down domestically.

Yep, on 7th April 2025 posting on a thread about how Trump is destroying the world's economy at a rate never seen before, here you are trying to claim claim that Reeves is somehow comparable with Truss/Kwarteng the worst economic duo in British political history

If it's got a blue rosette

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Yep, on 7th April 2025 posting on a thread about how Trump is destroying the world's economy at a rate never seen before, here you are trying to claim claim that Reeves is somehow comparable with Truss/Kwarteng the worst economic duo in British political history

If it's got a blue rosette

Nice to know the cat still exists and that some people still have the patience to talk to him.
Albeit to me, he is akin to Schrödinger's cat.
And that's the way (uh huh, uh huh) I like it (uh huh, uh huh).

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Amongst the latest sh!te to fall out of his mouth, Trump seems to think trade deals have been unfair, because eg China have sold millions of cars in the US, but haven’t bought the same numbers of US cars in China? Even with his trans fat riddled brain, he surely can’t believe this is the way ‘trade’ works?

I completely disagree. In June 2016 Putin had already taken Ukraine 2 years earlier, while Trump was on the 2016 Presidential Campaign Trail with his MAGA bollocks. Many Remainers - myself included - were saying that the world was only likely to get more dangerous.

Too many people took 71 years of relative peace for granted. It is no surprise Farage downplayed it back then, given we now see his true colours defending Trump's neo-fascism and appeasement to Russia.

I confidently predict the world will get even more dangerous what with Trump giving Israel the green light to act with impunity, Russia economically weak, China itching to seize territory and NATO nearing the point of break-up. The only hope is we get through the next 4 years, then see regime change and get some grown-ups back in the room.

Well yes you have a good point. But most people, burying their heads in the sand as I believe we collectively did in the West, did not have your foresight.

 

[SouthSaxon]

That’s very difficult to achieve when every one of those countries is under pressure to look after its own interests.

For example, what does JLR do about the cars now stacking up that it had earmarked to supply to the US, or likewise VW? The temptation will be to find other markets to sell them, which will get that stock off their respective books but likely depress prices and cause other problems.

It would be difficult domestically for the UK or Germany to work against that.

If countries negotiate, Trump will give them a good trousers-down seeing to. If they mirror, Trump will just keep escalating (see his response to China today) and, because he doesn’t give a f***, and might even be enjoying this, he’ll blink last.

The world is, sadly, caught between a prick and a hard place.

 

[marlowe]

Months are countable so technically fewer is correct. However, less and fewer are interchangeable these days, aren't they?

I take comfort in the fact that we didn't score less goals than Palace on Saturday.

 

[jcdenton08]

These aren’t a good President

 

[SouthSaxon]

Reeves is hardly settling matters down domestically.

I was just doing a delightful lettuce joke TBH.