[Politics] Russia invades Ukraine (24/02/2022)

[raymondo]

Broe, excellent as always. Gives Trump a history lesson on Russian occupation of Baltics (about six mins in), AND, in response to the US plan that Crimea should be legally recognized as Russian, Broe shows that Zelenskiy came back at Trump with HIS OWN Crimean Declaration, issued by the Trump administration in 2018, that Crimea is Ukrainian and must remain so (about eight mins in). Well done, Zelenskiy .

 

[peterward]

You could be right as well !

We mustn't forget the possibility that the killing was down to Russians. To test the likelihood of such a scenario, I would like to ask the question:
'Who is Putin more scared of? Ukrainians or Russians?' IMO, he is more scared of the Russians. This isn't definitive of course, but just a rough guide.

Ukraine claimed to have killed the last unlucky Russian General, Igor Kirillov, who died from the scooter bomb. Russia claimed we (the British) killed him, but we can obviously discount that. The idea that it was Ukrainians was clearly too unpalatable for the Russians.

You are quite right to raise the prospect of internecine killings. Putin has a history of removing any and all domestic rivals and threats.

Excellent points of view.

And I commend you on the use of the word "internecine"

Don't get that used everyday!

 

[Albion my Albion]

that Crimes is Ukrainian and must remain so (about eight mins in).

Haven't you learned yet that Ukraine was attacked. I don't see how they committed crimes when defending themselves against the Russians?

 

[CHAPPERS]

You said you would end the war in Ukraine on Day One.

Well, I said that figuratively, and I said that as an exaggeration, because to make a point, and you know, it gets, of course, by the fake news [unintelligible]. Obviously, people know that when I said that, it was said in jest, but it was also said that it will be ended.

Cock.

 

[Albion my Albion]

Cock.

It easy to lie when you can always say "I was saying it in "jest."

I'd like to shove his "jest" right up his arse!!!!!!

 

[Bodian]

Cock.

Don't think much of his stand-up comedic delivery routine.

 

[peterward]

Wow.

Stunning reposte by a Ukrainian Dr.

 

[Triggaaar]

Cock.

I'd like to reply 'Like you said it wouldn't have started if you were president in jest?'

 

[raymondo]

I'd like to reply 'Like you said it wouldn't have started if you were president in jest?'

And were ALL of his campaign promises made in jest?

 

[Eric the meek]

And were ALL of his campaign promises made in jest?

Only the ones he hasn't been able to fulfill. Which is probably all of them.

 

[marlowe]

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https://www.reuters.com/world/documents-show-differences-over-us-peace-drive-ukraine-2025-04-25/

The part about Ukraine being "reconstructed and compensated financially" is phrased to look like a concession in favour of Ukraine but its intentionally vague. It doesn't say who is supposed to compensate Ukraine. Normally it's the invader who pays reparations but they've left that crucial detail out.

 

[peterward]

The part about Ukraine being "reconstructed and compensated financially" is phrased to look like a concession in favour of Ukraine but its intentionally vague. It doesn't say who is supposed to compensate Ukraine. Normally it's the invader who pays reparations but they've let that crucial detail out.

Not sure how many here feel same? But I really hope that there is no deal in the present climate.

Maybe I have delusions! but I want to see Russia implode, and Putins demise, even if that's another year +

Merz fills me with hope, that however rough a US withdrawel may be, Europe + allies still have the ability to finish off Putin.

 

[fly high]

Not sure how many here feel same? But I really hope that there is no deal in the present climate.

Maybe I have delusions! but I want to see Russia implode, and Putins demise, even if that's another year +

Merz fills me with hope, that however rough a US withdrawel may be, Europe + allies still have the ability to finish off Putin.

Just hope Japan's intelligence system is as good as the Yanks. Europe needs to seriously up it's weapons production and buy off South Korea andotherswhohavespare. Take Russian money NOW and give it to Ukraine for what ever they want. Ukraine need to take out the bridge, it's about time.

 

[GoldstoneVintage]

Don't think much of his stand-up comedic delivery routine.

This needs to be played, publicly, over and over and over again. He needs to hear it everywhere he goes and journalists need to keep raising it in press conferences. He should be driven mad by his own, massive lie.

 

[Eric the meek]

 

[Eric the meek]

Another key figure died in a car bomb a week ago, but the result has only just become known.

 

[SouthSaxon]

This needs to be played, publicly, over and over and over again. He needs to hear it everywhere he goes and journalists need to keep raising it in press conferences. He should be driven mad by his own, massive lie.

You mistake him for some capable of feeling shame or guilt. The man is not normal.

 

[peterward]

'End policy of appeasement' — European foreign affairs chairs rebuke Trump's Russia stance

"Negotiating with the war criminal Putin is evidently futile," a statement signed by officials from eight countries said.

kyivindependent.com

 

[raymondo]

The part about Ukraine being "reconstructed and compensated financially" is phrased to look like a concession in favour of Ukraine but its intentionally vague. It doesn't say who is supposed to compensate Ukraine. Normally it's the invader who pays reparations but they've let that crucial detail out.

Absolutely. I think Ukraine would be compensated by letting the US have all their mineral wealth in perpetuity, and 5%of that would go to US reconstruction companies.
So, yes, Ukraine would probably compensate itself.
Or Trump wrote that bit in jest.

 

[Hugo Rune]

'End policy of appeasement' — European foreign affairs chairs rebuke Trump's Russia stance

"Negotiating with the war criminal Putin is evidently futile," a statement signed by officials from eight countries said.

kyivindependent.com

Appeasement led to WW2 in 20th Century Europe.

When Trump speaks about Zelenskyy bringing on WW3 by not accepting the imposition of Putin's victory upon Ukraine, I do suspect the opposite may well be true and that this 'peace deal' (which is in reality, is the most horrendous form of appeasement) will eventually bring on another world war, one that effectively knocks out Russia and the Western world handing the future over to China.