mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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Genuinely I'm watching the highlights. Which goal is this? It doesn't show that much build up before. Which goal?
[Albion] Bart Verbruggen SINGS a 5-year deal
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mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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Ah, so it's this goal. Where the player who Bart plays it to (I guess 40+ yards from goal....)then passes it to this guy, with us having 6 or 7 players back, Brentford slowing down play, making a few more passes before it deflects in....... and that's Bart giving a goal away.
Got it.
GET RID.
Got it.
GET RID.
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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That didn't happen did it.........
With Steele back, he's not even going to make the bench by the looks of it. Feel for him, as it's been a wasted year.
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Agree sadly. I’d be supportive of Steele taking over for the remainder of the season but don’t see the benefit as he’s obviously not the long term answer
albionalex
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mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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So no one else could have done anything about it?
albionalex
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Maybe. But if Bart doesn't pass it to their player, that goal doesn't come about.
METALMICKY
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But if he doesn't gift them possession the whole scenario does not happen.
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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If you did that for every goal conceded you'd drive yourself mad.
mejonaNO12 aka riskit
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Again, you could rewind every goal ever conceded and find someone to blame way before the goal is even scored because they gave the ball away. The spin that some have put on it that he simply gave Brentford a goal is mad.
Exactly, full backs pushed up, quickly retreating, Brentford with 4 pushed up.
I’d say that pretty categorical in terms of playing a major part in giving the goal away. He couldn’t have saved it, but like Forest, Fulham, Chelsea, (off the top of my head), it was Bart needlessly giving the ball away.
Sorry @mejonaNO12 aka riskit but I’d say you’re putting a fairly significant spin on it arguing the other way.
No way does that happen without that poor pass out.
albionalex
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To an extent yes. But when you are a goalkeeper or defender and you make a mistake, the risk of getting punished is so much more. Passing the ball straight to their player is just inviting trouble.
Easy 10
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Agreed. He was not under any pressure when he played that pass, it was just sloppy.
Which is sadly the word that sums us up for me since returning from the International break. Far too many players just that 10% off it lately, and you simply cannot afford that in this League, even against the junk.
METALMICKY
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He was a major contributor!
Nobby Cybergoat
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Yes, fair enough it may have been possible for a defender to stop the goal and yes there was a lucky deflection, but to me, there's a key point here.
Verbruggen has played that low pass into midfield and been caught out several times this season. My memory for games is crap, but I think Fulham is one of them and i'm sure others will help me out. It's such a high risk pass and Bart must know he doesn't have the passing game to pull this off.
To me it's evidence that there's a concerning lack of improvement. What you would hope is that a young player like that is better than he was 6 months ago and then he was better then, than 6 months before. This doesn't seem to be happening. He doesn't seem to be using those mistakes as a way of learning. You can project that forward and suggest he's likely to remain top of the mistakes leading to goals charts for the foreseeable future.
The manager and goalkeeping coaching here certainly don't get off scott free either
Verbruggen has played that low pass into midfield and been caught out several times this season. My memory for games is crap, but I think Fulham is one of them and i'm sure others will help me out. It's such a high risk pass and Bart must know he doesn't have the passing game to pull this off.
To me it's evidence that there's a concerning lack of improvement. What you would hope is that a young player like that is better than he was 6 months ago and then he was better then, than 6 months before. This doesn't seem to be happening. He doesn't seem to be using those mistakes as a way of learning. You can project that forward and suggest he's likely to remain top of the mistakes leading to goals charts for the foreseeable future.
The manager and goalkeeping coaching here certainly don't get off scott free either
Seasider78
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He is in some pretty bad company here
Yes an absolutely terrible pass which put us on the back foot with 7 Brentford players pushing forwards against our 6 in our third leading to a goal.
The problem is that we are playing a style that is completely unsuitable to a defence with Lewis Dunk in it. If we had two pace merchants at CB it might be ok but to belligerently continue to play like that is suicide. More depressing than that though was Brentford only had to go up half a gear and to a man won every personal dual in the period after half time.