[Politics] Lloyd Russell-Moyle

[Guinness Boy]

If we had a dominant centralist party who could control government for 15 years we might actually become more stable as a country.

Imagine a world where pragmatism and stability were prized more highly than ideology. Where Ministerial jobs lasted more than five minutes and PMs lasted longer than Lettuces. Where, maybe, there was a lawyer in charge of the Home Office, an Economist as Chancellor, a former Doctor or Virologist in Health. Where hate and division were replaced with discussion.

I think it would be........quite good.

Unfortunately, what you've got is one tiny minority yelling about Palestine and another tiny minority yelling about small boats and immigrants and 80% or so of the population shaking their heads and just trying to get on with stuff like living, raising kids, enjoying a little leisure time.

 

[Nobby]

FFS - couldn't make it up - well obviously the Tory press can make it up but this is all great ammunition for them.

 

[Surf's Up]

We need someone who comes from the area and knows it well and promotes /resolves the local issues ....

Like Dame Eddie Izzard

 

[keaton]

This is absolutely appalling. So anyone can make an allegation against a sitting MP after an election has been called in order to prevent a candidate being able to run? Seems very dodgy to me and a tactic which is rife for abuse.

No, they can do it if the MP is a Labour MP not high up Starmers mates list. There's probably 60 Tory MPs with allegations against standing for re-election but they don't care

 

[Surf's Up]

Sorry, my mistake ...Dame Suzy Izzard

 

[Kuipers Supporters Club]

FWIW - Crick is now saying it’s going to be the former Starmer adviser Chris Ward.

 

[:J)]

If we had a dominant centralist party who could control government for 15 years we might actually become more stable as a country.

Eh? I wasn't being serious, hence my reference to ChangeUK that disappeared without a trace soon after the 2019 election.

 

[ROSM]

Do you know many key Labour people in the Kemp Town? I knew lots who were/are connected to Turner, then Platts. Lifelong supporters and hard working volunteers. They can’t stand LRM.

There is no progressive alliance, even within the local LP.

As a member of that group I can't disagree enough. We have created a very powerful campaign team in that area and they have been fully behind LRM as candidate and MP

 

[ROSM]

This is absolutely appalling. So anyone can make an allegation against a sitting MP after an election has been called in order to prevent a candidate being able to run? Seems very dodgy to me and a tactic which is rife for abuse.

Not just any allegation. There needs to be primae facie evidence. But yes, an opponent can hijack a candidacy. As we saw in the recent by elections with Labour needing to withdraw a candidate and not being able to replace them

 

[happypig]

Imagine a world where pragmatism and stability were prized more highly than ideology. Where Ministerial jobs lasted more than five minutes and PMs lasted longer than Lettuces. Where, maybe, there was a lawyer in charge of the Home Office, an Economist as Chancellor, a former Doctor or Virologist in Health. Where hate and division were replaced with discussion.

I think it would be........quite good.

Unfortunately, what you've got is one tiny minority yelling about Palestine and another tiny minority yelling about small boats and immigrants and 80% or so of the population shaking their heads and just trying to get on with stuff like living, raising kids, enjoying a little leisure time.

Proportional Representation would get you what you want. At the fringes you’d have Communists and Fascists (representing minority extremes in the general population) but the majority would tend towards centrist coalitions.

 

[Weststander]

As a member of that group I can't disagree enough. We have created a very powerful campaign team in that area and they have been fully behind LRM as candidate and MP

You're unaware of members/volunteers who adore Platt, who dislike him and his brand of Labour? It's not united local party, well documented when attempts were made to get Kyle and other moderates shunted to one side. Some of those doing this were 'converts' to Labour in the last ten years, opportunists who previously had been members of extreme parties. Local news also covered this.

 

[Chicken Run]

As a member of that group I can't disagree enough. We have created a very powerful campaign team in that area and they have been fully behind LRM as candidate and MP

In your expert opinion do you think the Police at some stage will be involved in the investigation of this allegation in addition to the party’s investigation at some point?

 

[yatesyman]

This is absolutely appalling. So anyone can make an allegation against a sitting MP after an election has been called in order to prevent a candidate being able to run? Seems very dodgy to me and a tactic which is rife for abuse.

Same happened in Ilford South in 2019, when the other wing ran the party. Allegations of sexual harassment were made against the council leader Jas Athwal the day before the selection meeting. He was suspended, Corbynite Sam Tarry won, became the MP, and the allegations against Athwal disappeared as quickly as they'd been made.

 

[Mellor 3 Ward 4]

Same happened in Ilford South in 2019, when the other wing ran the party. Allegations of sexual harassment were made against the council leader Jas Athwal the day before the selection meeting. He was suspended, Corbynite Sam Tarry won, became the MP, and the allegations against Athwal disappeared as quickly as they'd been made.

Sam Tarry - as in Angela Raynor?

 

[Blue3]

Seems ridiculous that an allegation can be made that results in immediate suspension, not giving the candidate enough time to defend the allegations.

Exactly this he should have remained on the ballot and not been suspended until any allegations are proven, it’s absolutely ridiculous situation as it stands all of labour’s candidates could have allegations raised over the next five weeks and end up with none of the original candidates standing

 

[yatesyman]

Sam Tarry - as in Angela Raynor?

Yes. I don't think they were an item back then. And they've since split, which is probably fortunate given the way things are currently playing out.

 

[WATFORD zero]

Exactly this he should have remained on the ballot and not been suspended until any allegations are proven, it’s absolutely ridiculous situation as it stands all of labour’s candidates could have allegations raised over the next five weeks and end up with none of the original candidates standing

I agree it is dreadful that this can be done and open to nefarious actors, but I really can't see an alternative to the suspension. At least it only appears that Labour have to find a couple of prospective candidates in the next couple of weeks and not the 150 that the Conservatives still have to find.

Not that I'm suggesting that there is anything underhand behind the Conservative issue. That's simply par for the course gross incompetence and idiocy

 

[A1X]

Looks like the left wing are doing all they can to re-elect the Tories.

God give me strength!

Many of them still appear to be very pissed off that Magic Grandpa didn't win it for them the previous two times

 

[JBizzle]

Exactly this he should have remained on the ballot and not been suspended until any allegations are proven, it’s absolutely ridiculous situation as it stands all of labour’s candidates could have allegations raised over the next five weeks and end up with none of the original candidates standing

I suppose it depends on the nature of the allegation and the evidence provided, surely? If it's a "Raynor committed tax fraud" level of accusation, then as seen in that case you won't get a suspension, but if it's a severe alleged breach of code, conduct or law and there's evidence in play that's deemed significant, I would say that they 100% have to suspend. It's too risky not to

 

[Wardy's twin]

I suppose it depends on the nature of the allegation and the evidence provided, surely? If it's a "Raynor committed tax fraud" level of accusation, then as seen in that case you won't get a suspension, but if it's a severe alleged breach of code, conduct or law and there's evidence in play that's deemed significant, I would say that they 100% have to suspend. It's too risky not to

then as his potential voters should be told the exact nature of the claim....